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6112Re: Klemp Rationalizes His Fraud

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  • apollonius2k
    Feb 8, 2012
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      Good points Prometheus!

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello Apollonius and All,
      > I'll respond to your
      > comments below.
      >
      > apollonius wrote:
      > Hi Prometheus,
      >
      > Many, and rightfully so,
      > have strong feelings of
      > resentment for being led
      > astray by Eckankar.
      >
      > If you listen to the reasoning
      > of today's Hi's (well, the
      > older ones anyway) as to
      > why they still follow Eckankar,
      > this rhetorical question
      > will many times be heard
      > as the answer, "Why throw
      > the baby (Eckankar) out with
      > the bath water (Paul/HK's myth)?
      >
      > I have never let HK "off the
      > hook". He has had 30 years
      > to set the record straight
      > regarding Paul's made up
      > hierarchy and writings, and
      > is yet to do it. Also, It appears
      > that he is bereft of spiritual
      > experiences to write about
      > as multiple times I caught
      > him using my experiences
      > and others in his HI teaching
      > lessons.
      >
      >
      >
      > *****************************
      > ME: The truth as to why longtime
      > H.I.s have remained in Eckankar
      > has nothing to do with Truth. It's
      > all about fear and ego! They fear
      > not having their EK friends and
      > family members in their lives but,
      > also, not having their admirers.
      > Plus, look at all of that time and
      > money they have invested and
      > the initiations they've received.
      > Many were "grandfathered" in
      > without having to jump through
      > the hoops that HK requires today.
      > Besides, there's always the hope
      > of getting that 8th or 9th Outer
      > initiation. This is why the "baby"
      > isn't thrown out with the dirty
      > bath water... and why the bath
      > water is used over and over,
      > again and again.
      > ******************************
      >
      >
      > In the early days we read and
      > were told that the books and
      > myth Paul Twitchell built was
      > absolute truth. For me, there
      > had been many prior years of
      > extra-physical experiences
      > including the blue and other
      > lights dating back to when I
      > was three years old. I really
      > didn't care about the myth or
      > the LEM so much as the wealth
      > of research contained therein.
      > How the concepts bounced
      > around inside my little sphere
      > of consciousness and took me
      > to a different place. These ideas
      > could be tried and discarded
      > or kept as "My" individual
      > truths.
      >
      >
      >
      > ****************************
      > ME: Twitchell, as a conman,
      > learned that many people
      > have many things in common.
      > Everyone dreams. And if one
      > places attention upon the
      > mysteries and myth of the
      > spiritual realm they will dream
      > and "see" things. I'm not
      > saying that your experiences,
      > especially, as a child weren't
      > real, but I also know that
      > parents and adults can
      > mess with what a child thinks
      > is real. Sometimes it's done
      > out of "fun" by a somewhat
      > deviant parent or relative.
      > Sometimes, the fun is more
      > of a cultural/religious thing
      > like with Santa Claus or the
      > Easter Bunny.
      > *****************************
      >
      >
      > As I rose through the
      > ranks of Eckankar there
      > was a peculiar thing that
      > I noticed. The Mahdi were
      > not practicing what they
      > preached and it seemed
      > like I was always in their
      > cross hairs. This special
      > attention and the energy
      > they spewed uncontrolled,
      > allowed me to become
      > much stronger. There
      > were many arguments
      > that ensued all along the
      > way, even with Darwin.
      > My point was always
      > that it is the individual
      > path that counts, not the
      > group or worship of a
      > leader. If the LEM didn't
      > know about me personally
      > (which I discovered to be
      > true the first time I met
      > Darwin) then I was on my
      > own.
      >
      >
      > ***************************
      > ME: Yes, there's a lot of
      > ego associated with being
      > an H.I. (leader). Ego was
      > always rationalized away
      > and looked upon as a
      > "teaching tool" or as a "coat"
      > that could be put on and
      > taken off. It wasn't true
      > but it did help to explain
      > away the personality changes.
      > I know that when I was at
      > ECK events, in leadership
      > roles, I almost always came
      > across as being serious.
      > I knew that I was being
      > watched and evaluated
      > and had to be careful to
      > portray myself well. I, also,
      > had to be cognizant of the
      > proper procedures to follow
      > which are spelled out in
      > the "Guidelines." All of
      > this was quite stressful.
      > Why? Because I saw first
      > hand what could happen
      > to those who fell out-of-
      > grace with the RESA.
      >
      > Yes, Klemp wouldn't know
      > anything about his H.I.s,
      > either, if it wasn't for the
      > reports his RESAs send to
      > the ESC. Everyone has a
      > file and black marks and
      > red flags can have initiations
      > and positions put on a
      > three-five year (or longer)
      > hold. Sometimes there are
      > things put into your ESC
      > file and sometimes it's
      > just that one RESA.
      > ******************************
      > MORE COMMENTS BELOW
      > ******************************
      >
      > Prometheus said,
      > >Yes, we all need to cut the
      > > ties to any and all religions.
      > > Religions are distortions
      > > of Truth that are designed
      > > around mass consumption.
      > >
      > > A group consciousness,
      > > and even that within a
      > > "circle of initiation," will
      > > always be lower or stunted
      > > than what the individual
      > > can/will achieve when free
      > > and unimpeded. Of course,
      > > all initiations, of any sort,
      > > are fraudulent!
      > >
      > > Consciousness is not handed
      > > out by a demigod and printed
      > > on an EK membership card.
      >
      > Agreed
      >
      > To my knowledge, Rumi
      > couched his verbiage
      > in the terms of the day.
      > According to what I have
      > researched, Rumi's teacher
      > Shamsi was murdered
      > for blasphemy against
      > Islam.
      >
      >
      > ****************************
      > ME: It's usually thought that
      > Rumi's companions killed Shams
      > because they were jealous of
      > him. After all, much of Rumi's
      > poetry was inspired by the love
      > he had for his friend and master.....
      > Shams.
      >
      > However, Shams was Sunni.
      > So, it could be that he was
      > murdered by the more orthodox
      > Shiites. IMO-Only a Shiite would
      > say that Shams (a Sunni) was
      > blasphemous.
      > ********************************
      >
      > Though I can honestly say
      > I never met any of Paul
      > Twitchell's masters (and
      > I doubt he did either) there
      > have been times in my
      > life when a "helper" appeared
      > out of nowhere and guided
      > me in a new direction with
      > new ideas to think about.
      > Whether I call them masters
      > or any other term is irrelevant
      > to me, they assisted my path
      > and that's all that was needed.
      >
      > ******************************
      > ME: I, too, have had experiences
      > throughout life where it seemed
      > I was being protected (mostly from
      > myself) or was receiving guidance.
      > Early on, Jesus would appear to
      > me. I was a seeker and always
      > seemed to be beseeching some
      > spiritual authority for answers/
      > guidance. But most people do
      > the same! That's how/why the
      > gods were created and, one reason,
      > as to why religion was created.
      > The other reasons for religions
      > is to control the masses by
      > alleviating their fears and giving
      > hope of a better, pain free, afterlife.
      > Plus, it's a money maker for those
      > at the top of the hierarchy.
      >
      >
      > Anyway, it was no surprise to
      > see "EK Masters" in my dreams.
      > It's funny that Eckankar validates
      > itself with a handful of testimonials
      > from people (innocent newbies)
      > who claim they met a certain EK
      > Master "prior" to joining Eckankar!
      > It's kind of like (not really) St. Paul's
      > experience with seeing Jesus while
      > on the road to Damascus. Except
      > Paul/Saul was blinded for three
      > days. Hey, is that, and the Trinity,
      > how Paul came up with/invented
      > the, superstitious, EK Principle
      > of the Threes?
      > *********************************
      >
      >
      > Cheers,
      >
      > Apollonius
      >
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