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  • etznab@aol.com
    Jan 13, 2012
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      Prometheus wrote:

      "ME: That's a really close-minded remark. This site, in the links, (and
      files if you are a site member) has info showing PT's books with
      plagiarisms. Too bad you don't have a copy of The Path of the Masters
      but I think someone put it up in pdf in the links. Therefore, there's
      actual proof that your hero was a liar, thief, and poser!"

      *********

      Allen,

      Here is an illustration with links. Look at the Vivekananda quote at
      top of p. 46 in The Path Of The Masters (This example was also given in
      Ford Johnson's book.)

      http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n37/mode/2up

      Compare it with Rebazar Tarzs in The Far Country middle of p. 129.

      http://www.archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp#page/n125/mode/2up

      Swami Vivekananda lived and died before Paul Twitchell was even born.
      However, in The Far Country there is Rebazar Tarzs sounding a lot like
      Swami Vivekananda. Explanation?

      I was in Eckankar for a long time and familiar with many of Paul
      Twitchell's writings. The first time I read The Path Of The Masters it
      was like major Deja Vu where I read so much of it before. The thing is,
      however, Julian Johnson's book predated Paul Twitchell's book by
      several years. And Rebazar Tarzs in many places comes out sounding a
      lot like that earlier book. Explanation?


      -----Original Message-----
      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 8:47 pm
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: I'm Surprised That Klemp
      (ECKankar) Isn't Suing Them!

       
      Hello Allen and All,
      You have, obviously, taken
      and swallowed the bait along
      with the hook, line, and sinker.
      You've got blinders on, which
      is curious. Perhaps you became
      or saw yourself disenfranchised
      regarding higher initiations while
      under the Klempster?

      Anyway, I'll respond to your
      comments below:

      allen wrote:
      Hello Prometheus and the whole group.

      First off I wanted to thank you for letting me express my self even
      though I
      know many of you if not all of you don't agree with me!

      ME: True.

      A:
      Anyway this is a good dialog and I think you for at least entertaining
      my
      viewpoint.

      ME: I find your dialog (diatribe)
      to be unentertaining, redundant
      and tedious.

      A:
      I do have Difficulties of Becoming the living ECK master.
      I have Ford's book. Ect.

      ME: When's the last time you "read"
      these books? How about "The Path
      of the Masters" by Julian P. Johnson?

      A:
      Most of the criticism I have seen about Paul Twitchell I find quite
      amusing.
      This is what happens when we fail to learn Soul Travel or what AKATHA
      calls
      Sahaji and we try and figure out this world through our physical
      senses. From
      the lower states of consciousness illusion rains supreme and we fall
      for it like
      a child falls for a cheap magic show in Vegas.

      ME: Who says that I, or others
      on this site, who are critical of
      your narrow, judgmental, and
      elitist views don't know how to
      Soul travel? How do you "know"
      what Akatha (i.e. God, Whatever)
      calls anything or says? Funny that
      you used the analogy of a cheap
      magic show in Vegas... it's a
      Freudian slip that points out that
      you are caught up with the illusion
      of your beliefs.

      A:
      I would also like to say that the idea that Paul Twitchell copied most
      of his
      stuff from other Authors is ridiculous.

      ME: That's a really close-minded
      remark. This site, in the links,
      (and files if you are a site member)
      has info showing PT's books with
      plagiarisms. Too bad you don't have
      a copy of The Path of the Masters
      but I think someone put it up in pdf
      in the links. Therefore, there's actual
      proof that your hero was a liar, thief,
      and poser!

      A:
      All one has to do is read all his books, discourses articles and listen
      to all
      his tapes and one realizes that he produced an amazing amount of
      materials over
      a very short time.

      ME: Don't be so foolish! PT copied
      and paraphrased other peoples
      info, experiences, and research.
      He substituted and changed names,
      words, letters, added, omitted, etc.,
      etc. This was all pointed out in Ford's
      book. Thus, either you did a speed
      read, couldn't handle the truth and
      are in denial like most ECKists,
      or you're lying about having read
      "Confessions of a God-Seeker."

      A:
      Paul called Eckankar the Ancient Science of Soul Travel.
      Any Scientist will tell you that Science is based on truth and not on
      originality!

      ME: No, not really. Science is
      based upon empirical evidence,
      proven theories, and being able
      to reproduce results. According
      to your view Edison wasn't very
      original.

      A:
      Ironically Paul Twitchell still managed to be one of the most original
      thinkers
      ever to grace this dark planet!

      ME: It's ironical that you would
      use "ironically" when promoting
      a conman, liar, wannabe, and
      plagiarist! BTW- I've got a bridge
      that I'd like to sell you.

      A:
      Science builds upon Truth. So since truth is contained EVERYWHERE mixed
      with
      UNTRUTH to say that Paul copied from others is ridiculous since all
      Science
      copies from the universal truth!

      ME: Actually Twit used, mostly,
      half-truths and fiction. However,
      when someone uses word for word
      paragraphs, like Twit, I'd say that
      he "copied." If you ever attended
      college you'd know that plagiarism
      was unethical and not allowed.
      It's unoriginal, lazy and dishonest
      to use someone else's words, research,
      experiences, and thoughts and,
      especially, not give them credit
      in a footnote.

      A:
      As far as Paul's tendency to distort "reality" all I can say is I have
      had
      numerous inner experiences with him and Sri Kahtifji through the
      spiritual
      Exercises of AKATHA and these types of things are useless to argue
      since how
      could you possibly understand or known my experiences? You do not. No
      fault of
      your own of course.

      ME: You're comments are
      arrogant (vain and Astral)!
      It's a two-way street. You
      don't know of my experiences
      either. But I do know that
      Kahtif is a phony and poser.
      His S.E.s are no more "spiritual"
      or enlightening as anyone
      else's. It's subjective and
      illusionistic and pure fantasy.
      Your fault is not having
      an open mind. Your need
      is to be be codependent.
      You sound like one of Klemp's
      ECKists!

      A:
      If Paul Twitchell did change his stories around how does that in any way
      invalidate who he was spiritually.

      ME: PT did change his stories.
      He was a liar and a manipulator
      and, it seems, a spiritual wannabe.

      If someone cannot live a truthful
      life, then, they are living a lie.

      Plus, let me point this out.
      In "Difficulties Of Becoming
      The Living ECK Master" PT
      states (pgs. 52-56) that when
      in the Navy during WWII he
      created chaos and problems
      with his paperwork and played
      mental and psychological
      games with people in order
      to get out of work or duty
      assignments. This was during
      war time! These disruptions
      are not only narcissistic but
      are what the enemy would do...
      not someone who had claimed
      to have received the 2nd initiation
      in 1923 and who, supposedly,
      had visitations with Inner Masters
      and was destined as a "spiritual"
      master. Nope! Twitchell was
      always a narcissist and liar first,
      a conman & self-promoter
      second, and maybe, a spiritual
      seeker third.

      A:
      Again the analogy of a virtuoso violinist.
      If a virtuoso violinist tells you he is going to give a recital in
      Carnegie Hall
      on the 23rd of May, and you find out later no such concert is planed on
      such a
      date… does that make him any less talented as a violinist? Does that
      make his
      music bad? Does that mean his notes are out of tune of sour?

      ME: First, I don't buy your analogy.
      That's like a "Christian" using the
      Bible to prove a point because it's
      "the word of God." I don't buy that
      either! BTW- Where's Mozart fit-in?
      Did he take lessons?

      You, as Soul, is the only teacher
      you need, in conjunction with Spirit.

      A:
      Paul Twitchell was definitely an enigma and a mystery but his spiritual
      ability's and his ability to express truth where amazing.

      ME: Reread Ford's book... slowly
      this time. Digest it. Contemplate/
      Meditate upon it. Take your time...
      weeks. However, don't bother with
      the last 1/4 of the book. Paul was
      no mystery, although, that's what
      he was trying to portray. Do you
      have a copy of the SHARIYAT 1?
      Look at the index - Mahanta, birth
      of. Paul rewrote it so that he was
      adopted and was, supposedly, born
      on a riverboat and left to drift like
      Moses.

      A:
      Has anyone hear actually read Paul's works carefully with an effort to
      understand what he was saying? Reading the Tigers Fang, Dialogs with the
      Master, The Far Country, letters to Gail 1, 2, and 3 and listening to a
      few of
      his lecture tapes and its hard for me to understand how anyone could
      miss Paul
      Twitchell's amazing gift at expressing great truths!

      ME: Yes! The Tiger's Fang was
      fictionalized and embellished.
      This is why Kirpal Singh had
      problems with it. Don't you read?
      There is a letter from Kirpal
      stating this and why Kirpal
      had the falling out with Twit
      and still had the manuscript
      in 1966.

      A:
      I feel the same way about Sri Kahtifji after listening to him speak for
      hours on
      end and reading his works.

      ME: You were brainwashed.
      This is a typical cult brainwashing
      technique to wear you down.
      Afterwards, you feel dazed
      and attribute this to having
      Soul traveled to higher spiritual
      realms.

      A:
      Yes its sad what Darwin and especially Harold have done to Eckankar
      since 1971.
      But Sri Paul Twitchell was not the problem. Sri Kahtifji is not the
      problem.
      Blame it on Harold Klemp if you must blame it on anyone. He has ruined
      something special.

      ME: Twitchell started the whole
      scam so he was the problem!
      Kahtif is as much a poser as
      is Klemp. No, I blame it on Paul
      and Gail. Mostly Gail because
      she encouraged Paul do it in
      order to make the big bucks
      that she wanted.

      A:
      But its back as AKATHA and for that I am great full.
      I know most of you if not all of you will disagree with me on most if
      not all of
      this.

      ME: True! Been there, done that,
      bought the books, tee shirt, and
      even the coffee mug!

      A:
      Such paradoxes of the universe make life very interesting. Non of you
      know the
      experiences I have had so its hard for you to understand my viewpoint
      on this.
      But in a nut shell if point (A) is true and point (B) is also true
      point (A) can
      not invalidate point (B).

      ME: Bullshit! Twit used the paradox
      ploy to twist the truth and you've merely
      bought into it. He's playing a game...
      (a shell game) and the joke's on you.

      A:
      And this is what we call a paradox or another way of putting it a
      misunderstanding of reality!

      ME: You're in denial.
      But I understand your
      need for a spot in the
      hierarchy.

      A:
      Such is the nature of the human mind. A pitiful instrument that we try
      and use
      until we learn Soul Travel or in AKATHA known as Sahaji. As Paul
      Twichell stated
      the mind is an excellent servant but a poor master.

      ME: Paul stole that adage
      as well. Why don't you know
      that?

      Prometheus

      <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello Allen and All,
      > Let's face it. This Sri
      > Kahtifji is either a
      > conman, like Twitchell,
      > or is deluded. Maybe
      > a combo of both!
      >
      > Allen, if you would take
      > the time to look at the
      > PT info, older post below,
      > from his June, 1971 interviews
      > you would see that Twit
      > was a liar, poser, conman
      > and a self-promoter.
      > These quotes were taken
      > from "Difficulties Of
      > Becoming The Living
      > ECK Master."
      >
      > [If you have "Difficulties"
      > see pgs. 38-48, 70-71]
      >
      > 1. Twitchell never travelled
      > to India, especially, with his
      > sister and, especially, from
      > Paris, France, when he was
      > 15 years old (circa 1923).
      > Kay-Dee was in school in
      > Paris, Kentucky.
      >
      > This means that Twitchell
      > never received his 2nd initiation
      > (at this time or place) from
      > either Sudar, or Kirpal Singh.
      > It didn't happen!
      >
      > 2. Therefore, any follow-up
      > (2nd & 3rd) visits to India
      > (1947 & 1951) to see Rebazar
      > and to receive initiations 3-7
      > and then 8-12 were also lies.
      > Sudar was actually Kirpal Singh
      > and he was Paul's real Master
      > from 1955-1965, but Kirpal
      > had a falling out with Paul due
      > to exaggerations and pure
      > fiction PT used in his Tiger's
      > Fang manuscript. PT has Sudar
      > (Kirpal) dying in 1937, but Kirpal
      > actually outlived Paul by three
      > years and died in 1974 at 80
      > years old while Paul was 63.
      >
      > Rebazar (among other EK
      > Masters like Fubbi) were/are
      > imaginary characters created
      > by Twitchell in order to establish
      > an ancient "line of Mastership."
      > Rebazar was created so that
      > Twitchell could initiate himself
      > as a 12th Plane "Master." Later,
      > 1969, Paul made himself a
      > 14th Plane Mahanta/Master.
      >
      > These ego-driven conmen always
      > need to one-up the competition
      > by giving themselves more and
      > more phony initiation numbers
      > and more glorified titles! Their
      > deluded followers will believe
      > anything they say. Look around,
      > it's the same with all religions!
      >
      > 3. Anyone believing Twitchell
      > was a "Master" and was not a
      > liar, or that Rebazar and Fubbi
      > actually exist are either delusional,
      > stupid, fearful, insane, weak
      > minded, are conmen themselves,
      > or are a combo of all the above!
      >
      > Prometheus
      > BTW- Allen, I really doubt that
      > you've done a research of info
      > in "Difficulties Of Becoming The
      > Living ECK Master?" Do you have
      > this book in order to verify the
      > info I've posted from pages 38-48
      > and 70-71? Really, Paul was never
      > in Paris, France at 15 years of age!
      >
      > Have you ever read "The Path of
      > the Masters" or Ford Johnson's
      > book "Confessions of a God-Seeker?"
      > I you had read these (not a speed
      > read like Twit would do), and kept
      > an open mind while doing so, you
      > would begin to see through all of
      > Twitchell's bullshit and that of his
      > Eckankar con.
      >
      >
      > ********
      > Just thought I'd bring
      > this back to the front
      > page for another look.
      >
      > This LSM character is
      > saying that there's no
      > empirical evidence showing
      > that Paul wasn't what
      > he claimed. That's not
      > true! We have Paul's
      > own words that prove
      > he lied about and stole
      > almost everything that
      > became Eckankar. Would
      > a spiritual "Master" lie
      > or would a conman lie?
      >
      > What's the difference
      > between the two?
      > One is deluded while
      > the other is dishonest!
      > Both are vain and toot
      > their own horns.
      >
      > It's also interesting that
      > this Akshar Master is using
      > ECK Master Fubbi Quantz
      > as the (replacement) 972nd
      > LSM while he's the 973rd
      > replacement for Klemp!
      > Too funny!
      >
      > p.s. What's also funny is
      > that this LSM states that
      > PT was in charge (as LEM
      > or LSM?) from 65-72. Did
      > he just round it off to 72?
      > Or should it have been
      > 66-72?
      >
      > prometheus wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello Etznab,
      > > I'll have to agree that
      > > Sudar Singh was really
      > > Kirpal Singh. Paul lied
      > > about who Sudar was.
      > >
      > > BTW- Sudar Singh is
      > > listed in Klemp's ECK
      > > Lexicon as the LEM who
      > > taught Twitchell, thus,
      > > it seems that Kirpal
      > > (Sudar) was actually
      > > the 970th LEM since
      > > Rebazar is fictitious.
      > >
      > > Also, in Twitchell's June
      > > 1971 interviews printed
      > > in:
      > >
      > > "Difficulties Of Becoming
      > > The Living ECK Master."
      > >
      > > PT stated that he was 15
      > > years old (pg. 48) when
      > > he traveled from "Paris"
      > > to India where PT states
      > > he got his 2nd initiation
      > > from Sudar Singh. All of
      > > this distorted info comes
      > > directly from Twitchell's
      > > own mouth!
      > >
      > > Even the ECKankar spokes-
      > > person, Doug Marman,
      > > has stated that Twitchell
      > > was lying and misdirected
      > > people into thinking this
      > > was Paris, France (where
      > > PT went to visit his sister)
      > > when it was actually Paris,
      > > Kentucky! I, also, doubt
      > > that Twit flew from Paris,
      > > Kentucky to India! When
      > > you catch a person in one
      > > lie it makes you wonder
      > > how many other lies there
      > > were/are.
      > >
      > > Klemp states that PT was
      > > born in 1908, but it really
      > > doesn't matter because it
      > > was between 1908-1910.
      > >
      > > Let's say PT was born
      > > in 1908. This means
      > > that when he was 15
      > > (pg.48) and got his 2nd
      > > initiation from Sudar
      > > the year was 1923.
      > >
      > > Note: Klemp mentions
      > > in the Paul Twitchell
      > > (born 1908) info on
      > > Eckankar.org that PT
      > > was "Twisting Facts"
      > > and "Exaggerating"
      > > at age 27 (1935) to
      > > get into "Who's Who
      > > in Kentucky" and that
      > > Twitchell had never
      > > been all that far from
      > > home. Paul's first wife
      > > stated that he had
      > > never been outside
      > > of the U.S. until he
      > > joined the Navy in 1942.
      > >
      > > PT claims that on the
      > > next (2nd) trip to India
      > > it was 1947. This was
      > > when he met Rebazar
      > > and received initiations
      > > 3-7.
      > >
      > > BTW- It seems that Twitchell
      > > was a 2nd initiate from
      > > 1923-1947....{Sudar had
      > > died in 1937 (pg. 45)}
      > >
      > > I wonder who PT's master
      > > was from 1937-47 since
      > > he says he didn't meet RT
      > > until 1947?
      > >
      > > And, this means that Twitchell
      > > was a 2nd initiate for 24
      > > years... 1923-47!
      > >
      > > And, Rebazar was the fill-
      > > in LEM since 1937.
      > >
      > > PT claims to have gone
      > > from 3rd to 7th initiate
      > > in six to seven months!
      > >
      > > On Twitchell's 3rd trip
      > > to India (1951), to meet
      > > Rebazar for the second
      > > time, PT says he "got the
      > > finish of my initiations."
      > > I'm assuming this was
      > > 8-12!
      > >
      > > Now, maybe I'm wrong
      > > that Sudar Singh was the
      > > 970th LEM.
      > >
      > > Maybe Sudar was the 969th
      > > LEM and Rebazar (as fill-in)
      > > was the 970th LEM since
      > > he, supposedly, gave PT
      > > the 12th and made him
      > > the LEM.
      > >
      > > However, was Twitchell
      > > the LEM in 1951? It sure
      > > doesn't seem so according
      > > to Twitchell's writings.
      > > Or, did Twit get the 12th
      > > but Not the LEM position?
      > >
      > > This would mean that Rebazar
      > > was the LEM from 1937-65!
      > > The truth is, it's all a lie!
      > >
      > > Plus, let's remember this
      > > too. Twitchell is telling all
      > > of this in a series of interviews
      > > in June, 1971 (as the Mahanta).
      > > And, this was just a few
      > > months before his untimely
      > > death. Lies and more lies up
      > > to his death!
      > >
      > > Anyway, pages 38-48, 70-71
      > > have all of the info one needs.
      > > Just remember that Twitchell
      > > was born in 1908 (close enough),
      > > and that in June, 1966 Kirpal
      > > Singh (Paul's real Master)
      > > returned PT's "The Tiger's Fang"
      > > manuscript to him. Plus, it
      > > was January, 1969 that the
      > > word "Mahanta" was first used
      > > in print by Twitchell.
      > >
      > > Think about this. If PT was in
      > > training by Rebazar over all
      > > these years, as he claimed, and
      > > received 12 initiations from him,
      > > one would think that RT would
      > > have told PT about the 14th
      > > level/plane and that PT would
      > > have used the term "Mahanta"
      > > before 1969!
      > >
      > > Sure, anything can be debated,
      > > but credibility goes a long way
      > > in deciding if the person telling
      > > you all this stuff can be trusted.
      > > Twitchell was a known and proven
      > > plagiarist and a liar as pointed
      > > out by former RESA Ford Johnson,
      > > by Doug Marman, and even by
      > > Harold Klemp!
      > >
      > > Regardless of proven facts,
      > > common sense, logic, and
      > > past behavior, some people
      > > will still believe this crap.
      > > They need to believe in
      > > something/anything bigger
      > > and greater than themselves.
      > > They allow their minds and
      > > imaginations to be programmed
      > > to expect and dream of
      > > scenarios that are "spiritual."
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      >
      > "allen4447" wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello Everyone,
      > >
      > > If you look at Paul Twitchell's "Spiritual Notebook" 1981
      edition which I
      believe is identical to older copies on page 106 you will see a 12th
      plain chart
      that is almost identical to the AKATHA chart that's at:
      > >
      >
      > >
      http://www.akatha.com/akatha-god-worlds-chart-showing-lower-and-higher-plains.ht\
      \
      ml
      > >
      >
      > > A look through the old Eckankar dictionary from 1973 shows I
      believe that
      all AKATHA terms except AKATHA are listed. see:
      > >
      > http://www.akatha.com/akatha-glossary.html
      > >
      >
      > > All that this proves is that AKATHA and Paul's old time
      Eckankar (pre 1972)
      are as Prometheus stated almost identical. I believe that Sri Kahtifji
      would
      probably agree, stating he holds the Rod of SRAOSHA power which is
      really the
      same as the rod of Eck power that Paul Twichell held till 1971. I
      believe Sri
      Kahtifji has also stated somewhere (not sure where) that AKATHA is
      really Old
      time Eckankar (pre 1971) So AKATHA being similar to old time Eckankar
      this is
      not something AKATHA is trying to hid from anyone.
      >
      > > So all we are left with is who believes what?
      >
      > > This is the problem with debating anything of a spiritual
      nature whether its
      AKATHA, Eckankar, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.
      > >
      > > I am no fan of the "New Eckankar" that Klemp created.
      >
      > > I am a former Eck chela for 29 years I'm glad I got out! I do
      not recommend
      the "New Klemp Eckankar"
      >
      > > But I have to say in all honesty from my viewpoint Paul
      Twichell was a
      Spiritual Giant.
      >
      > > And so is Sri Kahtifji. I know most of you will probably
      disagree but this
      is the nature of Spiritual Debating. Or Discussion : ) How can anyone
      ever win
      an augment about Spirituality?
      >
      > > All you can do is find a path that makes seems to you and
      feels right to you
      and give it a try and see where it leads you. Some chose to follow
      "Science"
      what ever that means. Others AKATHA. Others Eckankar or Christian
      Mysticism or
      what ever. I frankly can't blame some of you for being so annoyed with
      the new
      Eckankar as I agree there is a lot of nonsense going on.
      >
      > > But some of us are God seekers who truly desire to find God.
      And so it goes
      we go down all kinds of avenues trying to find answers to questions
      that seem
      almost impossible to answer!
      >
      > > AKATHA has done more for me over the last 3 months then
      Eckankar did over
      the last 29 years.
      >
      > > But its an individual thing and we all need to find our own
      path what ever
      the word Path means to us individually.
      > >
      > > Allen
      > >
      > >
      > prometheus wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hello All,
      > > > Just Google: Living SRAOSHA
      > > > Master and the site comes up.
      > > >
      > > > This guy copied Paul's God
      > > > World Chart, which was copied
      > > > and plagiarized info, and then
      > > > tweaked it by adding a couple
      > > > of Higher Planes that Twit, Darwin,
      > > > and Klemp had overlooked.
      > > >
      > > > After all, Why should Sugmad
      > > > reside on the 10th Plane (ANAMI
      > > > LOK) and not a higher one when
      > > > the LEM is of the 12th Plane and
      > > > the Mahanta of the 14th Plane!
      > > >
      > > > The Living Sraosha Master (LSM),
      > > > [BTW-SRAOSHA means ECK, see
      > > > pg. 200 of the 1998 EK Lexicon
      > > > and page 51 of The Path of the
      > > > Masters] is just another conman.
      > > >
      > > > Anyway, what's funny is that
      > > > anyone can simply insert their
      > > > own name in place of this guy's
      > > > and who's to disprove his "inner"
      > > > experiences and the story he's
      > > > spinning? It like with Twitchell's
      > > > bullshit which Darwin and Klemp
      > > > inherited by playing-the-game.
      > > >
      > > > So, Twitchell's and Klemp's "God
      > > > Worlds Chart" i.e. "Worlds of ECK"
      > > > goes to the 10th Plane. This below
      > > > chart goes to the 12th Plane. The
      > > > 12th Plane is the AKSHAR and the
      > > > 11th is a derivative of this... I forget
      > > > exactly what it was. In any case
      > > > AKSHAR means SUGMAD and it
      > > > can be found in "Path" on pages
      > > > 264, 284, and 305.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > **********************
      > > > AKATHA God Worlds Chart - Lower and Higher Planes
      > > > A message from Sri Kahtifji, the Mahaji, the 973rd
      Living SRAOSHA Master
      regarding the God Worlds Chart
      > > >
      > > > "The AKATHA God Worlds chart is very important insofar
      as the chela
      (student of AKATHA) needs to see it in order to know how to negotiate
      through
      the God Worlds. It is especially important to manoeuvre through the
      lower worlds
      getting to the Soul Plane as quickly as possible. Still that paradox
      exists
      regarding the essence of man as Soul wherein each one is the Sound and
      Light of
      SRAOSHA and therefore, dwells really upon the Soul Plane. The problem
      is that
      those outside AKATHA do not know it. We are fortunate to have this God
      knowlege,
      the Para-Vidya, in AKATHA. Still Soul needs to see the God Worlds
      superstructure for the true matrix of the universe. This mapping is
      very old,
      older than time itself. Hence, we again are fortunate that Paulji (Paul
      Twitchell) was the pioneer for this mapping in the recent past.
      Otherwise, we
      would not know were to go on the inner. The chela should really
      appreciate that
      we know were to go spiritually in AKATHA."
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > You can view the AKATHA GOD WORLDS CHART by clicking on
      the PDF link below
      or viewing in Scribd.
      > > >
      > > > the_god_worlds_of_akatha_31.pdf
      > > > Download File
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