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5939Re: Klemp's Vanity - His Wisdom Notes and EK Brochure Photo

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  • prometheus_973
    Nov 9, 2011
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      Hello Diana and All,
      Yes, the silliness began
      with Twitchell. That's
      why Gail and Patti were
      always giggling about
      good old fuddy-duddy
      Paul and his conman
      antics, some, to hide
      his age [the joke was
      on them because Paul
      was older than they
      thought]. Other embellishments
      were used to promote
      himself... and yet this
      doesn't seem to be a
      problem for longtime
      H.I.s. When I found out
      about the foundation
      of the EK teachings and
      the liar Twitchell I just
      couldn't remain a follower.
      Truth means too much
      to me. Ask yourself,
      "What is Truth?"

      Klemp is as much the liar
      as Twitchell. He rationalizes
      it away by thinking that people
      need something to believe
      in and Eckankar gives them
      something that is, at least,
      less physically harmful to
      the world than many other
      religions. Of course, that's
      only because Eckankar doesn't
      have the members, money,
      and power that other religions
      have. Other than that it's
      a fraud and a waste of time.
      It creates delusional thinking
      and this inhibits clarity of
      mind and true, individual,
      "spiritual" progress.

      Prometheus



      "Diana Stanley" wrote:
      Eckankar is being reduced
      to sillyness. People who
      are trully seeking spiritual
      enlightenment will begin
      to leave. Those that are
      comfortable with authority
      and rules and regulations
      will hang on.

      Much like the old churches
      some people feel safe if
      they are told how to get
      to heven and avoid hell.
      I imagin Harold is trying
      to incorporate the Eck
      teachings with christian
      beliefs as that is Harolds
      background.

      I am afraid it is a marrage
      that is doomed to failure.
      Hopefully sooner than later.
      Diana


      <prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Hello Diana and All,
      > Klemp cares about
      > the more youthful
      > image he's projecting
      > in the PR brochures
      > and his official pic
      > displayed in EK Centers
      > and at Intros because
      > it appeals to younger
      > people more than his
      > old real life image does!
      >
      > Thus, more suckers
      > are attracted to the
      > bait and switch packaging
      > versus the reality which
      > would repel them. LOL!
      >
      > At a Seminar (after
      > seeing Klemp) they
      > simply decide to stay
      > until he gets done talking.
      > Klemp was never too
      > photogenic anyway but
      > now he's really getting
      > pathetic looking... as
      > a Mahanta/God!
      >
      > Really, how can Eckists
      > believe in or talk about
      > the ECK Masters like
      > Rebazar, who are
      > supposedly over 500
      > years old and still maintain
      > a physical body, when
      > Klemp claims to be the
      > greatest and most spiritually
      > advanced Mahanta ever!
      > Yet, he's wasting away!
      > It doesn't make sense if
      > it was true! The truth is
      > there are No ECK Masters
      > and Klemp is a phony!
      >
      > Pretend can be fun and
      > the imagination can make
      > the mundane magical,
      > it's an escape, and it can
      > be used (as lies) to explain
      > things in mythological and
      > unscientific terms because
      > science can't explain it
      > away with concrete analysis
      > and proven facts. Besides,
      > would most people listen?
      > Therefore, the ECK Masters
      > are as imagined as the
      > characters in Harry Potter,
      > or the Lord of the Rings,
      > et al.
      >
      > Thus, if Eckankar was for
      > real Klemp wouldn't be
      > aging and rapidly! He'd
      > look like Rebazar or one
      > of the other portraits of
      > those fake ECK Masters.
      >
      > Funny that the artist who
      > did the latest ECK Master
      > portraits made them look
      > younger than Klemp's real-
      > time current photo (not the
      > embellished portrait)! Just
      > go the eckankar.org and
      > see for yourself! It's comical!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > dianastanley wrote:
      > I don't understand why
      > he cares what he looks
      > like he never hardly ever
      > makes public appearences.
      > Maybe he has a double
      > to do all public pr work!!!
      > Diana
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > <prometheus wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello Diana and All,
      > > At one time Klemp tried
      > > contact lens but eventually
      > > switched back to glasses.
      > > I'm told he received some
      > > criticism, from H.I.s via
      > > chelas, that contacts were
      > > more of a vanity issue than
      > > a sight/vision issue. ECKists
      > > can't have their mealy looking
      > > Mahanta project a fraudulent
      > > appearance because that
      > > would indicate other frauds
      > > might be taking place and
      > > perpetuated. LOL!
      > >
      > > However, I've also read that
      > > contacts can offer people
      > > better vision than glasses,
      > > but maybe that was just
      > > a slanted PR story to sell
      > > a product like Eckankar
      > > does.
      > >
      > > I'm assuming that this is
      > > why Klemp won't dye his
      > > hair or get hair plugs. I
      > > wonder what else Klemp
      > > does, or doesn't do, that
      > > is natural? Boxers, briefs,
      > > or commando?
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      > > dianastanley wrote:
      > > maybe he should try botox
      > > or a face lift. It would be
      > > a miricale that he got his
      > > youth back!
      > > Diana
      > >
      > >
      > > <prometheus wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hello All,
      > > > This is simply more proof
      > > > of Eckankar's deceptions.
      > > >
      > > > It's come to my attention
      > > > that Klemp is still using
      > > > a 10-15 old photo as his
      > > > "Official Photo" which is
      > > > to be displayed at ECK
      > > > functions and EK Centers.
      > > >
      > > > WHY? Really, why is this
      > > > being done?
      > > >
      > > > Isn't Klemp comfortable
      > > > with his aging?
      > > >
      > > > On the front page of the
      > > > September, 2011 "The
      > > > Mystic World of ECKankar"
      > > > is a current photo of Klemp.
      > > >
      > > > However, if one looks at
      > > > the back page where "The
      > > > Wisdom Notes" are given
      > > > there is the older "Official
      > > > Photo" depicting a younger
      > > > looking Klemp.
      > > >
      > > > Is the real and present day
      > > > photo depicting the Outer
      > > > LEM while the "Official (past)
      > > > Photo" depicting the Inner
      > > > Master/Mahanta? Is that
      > > > Klemp's rationale for this
      > > > subliminal trickery?
      > > >
      > > > Really, I don't think that this
      > > > issue has ever been addressed
      > > > since ECKists aren't permitted
      > > > to ask such questions without
      > > > risking reprisals by their RESAs
      > > > or via the ESC (Klemp).
      > > >
      > > > But, in Eckankar, what is reality?
      > > > Is it anything one wants to deny
      > > > and imagine differently as you
      > > > like it?
      > > >
      > > > This photo switch is simply
      > > > another trick that Klemp uses
      > > > to cloud the minds and reasoning
      > > > abilities of his followers so they
      > > > can feel good about their religion
      > > > of pretend Masters, Initiations,
      > > > and Planes of Consciousness.
      > > >
      > > > This denial of the obvious is
      > > > why ECKists are comfortable
      > > > and passive sheep and/or are
      > > > chickens in the EK hen house.
      > > > However, on the other hand,
      > > > ECKists are stressed out as
      > > > well.
      > > >
      > > > ECKists must be Vahanas/
      > > > Missionary's and give Service
      > > > to Klemp (and Lip Service to
      > > > the public) in order to advance
      > > > and/or to maintain their status
      > > > as official spokespersons.
      > > >
      > > > The Lip Service is when they
      > > > give the "official" presentations
      > > > which omit facts with the guise
      > > > of being "too much spiritual
      > > > food" for the seeker to handle.
      > > >
      > > > Come on, just tell them how
      > > > long it will probably take them
      > > > to become free of Karma or
      > > > reach the 5th initiation! And,
      > > > how many more years (and
      > > > what's required) it should
      > > > take them to reach the 7th
      > > > initiation. Then tell them
      > > > how long it will be for them
      > > > to reach the 8th initiation...
      > > > maybe the RESA would know
      > > > that answer. LOL!
      > > >
      > > > Prometheus
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > From Dec, 2009:
      > > > Isn't it strange that a "spiritual
      > > > master" (a Mahanta) would still
      > > > be using an outdated photo.
      > > > This shows that Klemp is attached
      > > > to KAL's lower plane influences.
      > > > This is more proof that HK has
      > > > fallen from SUGMAD's Grace (not
      > > > that he ever had it). Still, for some
      > > > ECKists Klemp's youthful appearance
      > > > attachment must be confusing.
      > > > Others simply turn a Blind Eye
      > > > to it all... they like the public
      > > > seeing the younger looking photo.
      > > > It's less embarrassing than the
      > > > real thing. H.I.s, especially, live
      > > > in a state of denial because it's
      > > > comfortable and convenient
      > > > and EK Membership has become
      > > > habitual and ego driven.
      > > >
      > > > {Note: Annual EK Membership
      > > > is actually required in order to
      > > > receive and keep initiations. The
      > > > reenrolling of one's membership
      > > > must become habitual or risk
      > > > losing the fake connection with
      > > > the Inner via the outer monetary
      > > > membership requirement. Thus,
      > > > EK membership is ego, as well as,
      > > > fear driven.}
      > > >
      > > > Prometheus
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