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5926Re: The So-Called and Imagined Advantages of ECK Membership

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  • Diana Stanley
    Oct 30, 2011
      I rmemeber a good friend of mine had a brother with cancer. Darwin told her if she would sleep with him he would cure him. She refused then Darwin said "I couldn't cure him anyway! A brief moment of honesty!
      Harold would never do that, I don't think he is into sex. Hope the site is R rated!
      Diana, who should be blushing.

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello Non and All,
      > Yes, it seems Klemp
      > is mimicking the
      > Mormon ads kinda
      > like the 100th monkey!
      >
      > Eckankar, Mormonism
      > and Scientology have
      > a few similarities...
      > except for the number
      > of members thanks to
      > Klemp... that reclusive
      > and impotent little weasel
      > of a Mahanta/God/Inner
      > Master.
      >
      > Inner communication
      > never actually worked,
      > except, in one's mind
      > via dreams. Proof? Why
      > aren't there "Inner EK
      > Seminars" where H.I.s
      > are at least attending
      > via "lucid dreaming"...
      > which is still a 4th Mental
      > Plane function! Or, how
      > about the "Direct Projection"
      > method of Soul Travel?
      >
      > There's no "next step"
      > with Eckankar... only
      > old promises that were
      > never realized via objective
      > standards. EK "stories"
      > need "outer written"
      > approval not "inner"
      > approval.
      >
      > There is no "Inner"
      > Eckankar! But, Eckists
      > will continue to buy into
      > the lie because it's all
      > they have and it feels
      > good... like an old pair
      > of shoes that you're still
      > attached to and won't
      > throw out. Klemp still
      > has ECKists focusing
      > upon the 6th Astral Chakra,
      > the Tisra Til (Third Eye),
      > versus the 7th Crown
      > Chakra when HUing.
      > What's with that after
      > 30 years with Klemp?
      >
      > As for Steve Jobs...
      > yes, he regretted doing
      > the New Age Homeopathic
      > thing and waiting too
      > long for traditional treatment.
      > It reminded me of Klemp's
      > advice to his oldest brother,
      > Duane, who died of cancer
      > in the mid 1980's. Klemp
      > told Duane that he should
      > go to Mexico for Laetrile
      > treatments.
      >
      > BTW- How can Klemp
      > be the real Mahanta when
      > Eckankar's Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
      > Book One states that the
      > Mahanta has a Virgin Birth
      > and Klemp had an older
      > brother? Check the index
      > on "Mahanta, birth of"
      > for the page number.
      >
      > True, many Eckists do
      > go to traditional doctors,
      > but many don't. These
      > will emulate Klemp in
      > everything they do. Look
      > at those with EMR/EMF
      > problems just like Klemp
      > has! ECKies think HK is
      > "all knowing," and according
      > to the PR he (the Mahanta)
      > should be, but every
      > now-and-then he'll make
      > a Catch-22 disclaimer
      > by saying he's "not perfect"
      > which is odd since the
      > "GOD" that people of
      > other religions worship
      > is perfect! Although, Klemp
      > claims this God is merely
      > a 2nd or 4th Plane God
      > (Kal, i.e. Satan or Devil)
      > while he is of the 14th
      > Plane of Consciousness.
      > [See page 385 of Klemp's
      > "Autobiography of a Modern
      > Prophet"]
      >
      > This is just one more little
      > tid-bit of info that ECKists
      > tend to Not share, especially,
      > at introductory talks or when
      > rubbing shoulders (infiltrating)
      > with those from other "spiritual"
      > paths.
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > "Non" eckchains wrote:
      >
      > This reminds me of the
      > current bombardment
      > of Mormon TV ads. All
      > of these persons in the
      > ads try to convince you
      > of how wonderful and
      > normal their lives are
      > and the last statement
      > they say is "...and I am
      > Mormon". Ekists will do
      > the same thing at first,
      > a wolf in sheep's clothing,
      > hiding their bizarre beliefs.
      >
      > As far as ekankar curing
      > all that ails you? No, in
      > fact It often seems to me
      > that there is more of a
      > sense of additional suffering
      > when things don't go well,
      > especially health problems.
      > It's kind of like what happened
      > with Steve Jobs. At one point
      > in his life he believed that
      > he didn't need to shower
      > because of his vegan diet
      > and spiritual beliefs even
      > though his coworkers had
      > filed complaints.
      >
      > His beliefs may have opened
      > up a wealth of creativity, but
      > I think he was already a creative
      > guy and very intelligent. This
      > did not make him the most
      > compassionate of persons,
      > from what I understand about
      > his Biography, even though
      > he was supposedly a Zen
      > Buddhist. He was also prone
      > to a similar MAGIKAL thinking
      > that ekists fall for.
      >
      > Steve Jobs tried psychics,
      > some kind of macro vegan
      > diet, acupuncture, etc., when
      > it is quite possible that he
      > was fortunate to have had
      > the type of pancreatic cancer
      > that could have been cured
      > with surgery, but he didn't
      > like the idea of someone
      > cutting his body open.
      >
      > My experience with some
      > ekists though, is that when
      > push comes to shove, they
      > go with what their doctors
      > tell them they should do,
      > especially if their spouse
      > has anything to say about it.
      > It's "as if" they have a split
      > personality. That can't feel
      > very good.
      >
      > It's all just MAGIKAL thinking
      > that ekankar and klemp do
      > anything, but may in fact
      > cause a form of suffering
      > by keeping them in a state
      > of delusional self-contempt
      > and anxiety, as they can't
      > really live up to expectations
      > that are always out of reach.
      > Without true compassion,
      > life is just kind of miserable
      > IMHO. To err is Human and
      > life is just not that easy, even
      > for the richest guy in the
      > cemetery.
      >
      > noneckster ; )
      >
      > prometheus wrote:
      > >
      > > Would anybody like to
      > > comment upon PT's and,
      > > now, Klemp's snake-oil
      > > remedies for all that ail
      > > you?
      > >
      > >
      > > ******************************
      > > Advanced Spiritual Study as a
      > > Next Step on the Road Home
      > > to God
      > >
      > >
      > > Experience the miracle of
      > > spiritual growth A true spiritual
      > > teaching makes a link between
      > > God and you. And it provides
      > > a guide to help make your
      > > journey as easy and direct
      > > as possible.
      > >
      > > Eckankar has an inner and
      > > outer living guide. He has
      > > made the journey into the
      > > heart of God but has returned
      > > to help us on our way to Self-
      > > Realization and, ultimately,
      > > God-Realization. This guide
      > > is the Mahanta, the Living
      > > ECK Master.
      > >
      > > The next step on your
      > > spiritual journey can be
      > > linking up with him through
      > > membership in Eckankar.
      > > You will then experience
      > > the awesome miracle of
      > > advanced spiritual growth—
      > > a life of joy, meaning, and
      > > creativity.
      > >
      > > Who are the members of Eckankar?
      > >
      > > Members of Eckankar (ECKists)
      > > come from all walks of life.
      > > ECKists are homemakers,
      > > businesspeople, and retirees.
      > > They are professionals, educators,
      > > scientists, and farmers. They
      > > come from all age-groups, all
      > > races and nationalities, and
      > > all religious backgrounds.
      > >
      > > Like most people, ECKists
      > > have families, careers, and
      > > daily struggles. They live
      > > a life of joyful participation
      > > in the mainstream of society.
      > >
      > > ECKists know they're responsible
      > > for their own experiences in
      > > life. They know tomorrow is
      > > the result of today's thoughts,
      > > feelings, and actions. They
      > > also know that giving love
      > > and service to their family
      > > and community is one way
      > > to increase their understanding
      > > of God's love.
      > >
      > > More about membership in
      > > Eckankar:
      > >
      > > Spiritual Benefits—Reach
      > > your highest spiritual potential.
      > > See the bigger picture of life.
      > > Explore the many facets of
      > > divine truth.
      > >
      > > Discourses—Take the next
      > > step on your spiritual journey.
      > > Study at home or in classes.
      > >
      > > Initiations—Climb the stairway
      > > to spiritual freedom through
      > > the ECK initiations—the direct
      > > link between Soul and Divine
      > > Spirit.
      > >
      > > ECK Activities—Worship services,
      > > introductory presentations,
      > > book discussion classes, seminars,
      > > spiritual fellowship.
      > >
      > > Membership Facts—Individual
      > > and family memberships, publications,
      > > youth study.
      > >
      > > ***************************************
      > >
      > > BTW- I found this info on:
      > > http://www.eckankar.org/Membership/index.html
      > > listed on a FB site:
      > >
      > > https://www.facebook.com/EckankarArizona
      >
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