5896Re: Why Don't ECKists Mention Initiation Wait Time?
- Oct 20, 2011Hello Etznab and All,
Sometimes "normal" is
elusive and the exception.
First, I can deduce that
you are not an architect,
chiropractor, or an attorney...
if so you would have gotten
your 5th by now.
Therefore, I have basically
two lines of thought (or a combo
of both) for you not to have
received the 5th with almost
25 years of seamless membership.
1) Do you volunteer often
and/or hold a local position?
Have you taken Arahata training
and other leadership training
classes? Have you taught Satsang
classes? Have you helped with
intros and workshops and/or
participated in Regional Seminars?
With that many years the answer
needs to be YES to all of these
2) Do you have a good relationship
with your RESA and an on-going
regular communication with him/her
and with local H.I.s? Have you watched
what you have said to other ECKists
(bite your tongue) or have you said
something of a controversial nature?
Have you said something with a pro
psychic bent, or been too fixated
upon EK "history," details, and facts?
In other words, have you been a good
soldier and followed orders, rules and
guidelines without question and talked
incessantly about the Mahanta's love?
25 years is a long time not to reach
the 5th. However, I knew of an ECKist
who was a 4th for over 20 years before
finally getting her 5th, but that was
only due to a change in RESA!
I've been in Eckankar almost
My membership has never lapsed.
My last outer initiation (2000)
was the 4th. I don't know if this
is normal, or the exception.
Here're some comments from
a H.I. who joined in 1972. I don't
know if he copied it from a brochure
or if it's his own original words...
"Eckankar: An individual's spiritual
path emphasizing Soul's own
natural and direct inner connections
to the twin aspects of Holy Spirit
(aka the Eck), the Inner Light and
Inner Sound of God. These are
the twin aspects of Spirit each
of us, as Soul, are innately connected
to, know it or not. There is an
inner guide/teacher who works
with us on the outer, via books,
seminars, etc., as well as individually
on the inner via dreams and
conscious Soul Travel experiences.
You explore your past lives and
the karmic situations you've created,
learning how to resolve past debts
and live in harmony with Spirit,
thus creating no new karma. Zero
karma means you graduate from
reincarnations to existing in the
true (karmaless) spiritual realms.
As Soul, you are already "hard-wired"
to do this; explore your spiritual
realms and how all that relates
directly to you this lifetime.
Apparently God doesn't want us
to remain unknowing and "in the
It's true, it's exciting, and it works.
ME: I wonder why he didn't mention
the "inner guide/teacher" by name
or title like Klemp or Mahanta? Is he
embarrassed or simply being intentionally
evasive and vague?
BTW- In Eckankar, the "true (karmaless)
spiritual realms" are found after the 5th
initiation on the 5th Plane. But, initiations
are delved out and controlled, now, by
Klemp's guidelines via the RESA police.
The standard time to receive a 5th is 15
years for professionals and 18 plus years
for average ECKists!
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