5862Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"
- Oct 1 4:13 PMHello Tyson and All,
I don't even know what
duality or beyond duality
means when coming from
These people talk out of
both sides of their mouth.
They say what sounds "spiritual"
or seems "profound" or
logical because they claim
to be enlightened authorities.
But, they are hypocrites
who love to twist and turn
words to fit their greedy,
self-serving, ego driven,
power mongering agendas!
The "Divine" might not even
care about positive and negative
traits, atoms, agendas, sex etc.
Let's face one fact... mankind
created and defined "God" in
his own (man's) image. This
Hindu stuff is just another
view and explanation of
cosmology like that from the
Quran, Old Testament or of
the Greek and Roman Gods,
As far as Anami goes, PT claims
that the Anami Lok is where
Sugmad resides and, yet, the
Anami Lok is the 10th Plane.
Therefore, SUGMAD resides
on the 10th and Klemp (the
Mahanta) on the 14th. I guess
that makes Klemp Higher than
Sugmad! So, why doesn't HE,
HK, want to be worshipped?
I guess little Harry is a humble
God... right? I love it when he
has a chela mention his humility.
Humble people never have to
bring up that word... it's a
given that others simply "know."
Therfore, Klemp (by printing
these comments about his
Yes, Twitchell used Hinduism,
Sikhism, Christianity and theosophy
etc. to create a hodge-podge New
Age religion just as distorted, if
not more so, as his sources.
There is a lot of Sikhism (and
Sikhism has Hindu roots) via
Ruhani Satsang and Radasoami
and "The Path of the Masters"
in Eckankar. This book, more
than any other, was Twitchell's
blueprint for creating Eckankar.
Remember, too, Twitchell
followed Kirpal Singh, of Ruhani
Satsang, for ten years, and
Kirpal had PT's Tiger's Fang
manuscript until he returned
it in 1966. The Rebazar character
took the place of Kirpal after
he and Twitchell had a falling
out due to Paul's embellishments.
Paul thought it'd be okay to
portray himself with special
spiritual powers and consciousness
as long as Kirpal was given
even greater powers. But,
Kirpal didn't buy into it. He
saw through Twitchell scam
and knew he had ulterior motives.
Harold and paul also claim
that sugmad is beyond duality
and that the universal mind
(kal) is the negative pole of
Yet paul also uses the hindu
name Anami Purusha as a
manifestation of sugmad.
I think it means inconcievable
or unknowable purusha.
The name purusha is actually
a God that sometimes refers
to the universe itself for the
universe is the body of purusha.
purusha is also considered
to be represented as male
thus I see duality in this.
Prakita is the divine mother
(matter) purusha is the divine
father (spirit) when the two
come together spirit enters
matter (lila) thus the divine
dance of creation begins.
I dont think eckists would
like to know that there name
purusha came from what
I consider a beautiful Hindu
myth and they owe there
creation to hinduism not
the other way around.
> FYI: When Harold Klemp
> or any member of the
> Eckankar cult mentions
> "God" it is not the same
> God others worship. This
> is a misdirection... a lie!
> According to Eckankar's
> Holy Book, The Shariyat-
> Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
> "Autobiography of a Modern
> Prophet" (pg.385) the God
> that all other religions
> worship is Satan, i.e. the
> Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
> of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
> etc. is a limited God and is
> on a lower plane of consciousness
> than any and all ECK Higher
> Yes, EK High Initiates, according
> to Eckankar's religious dogma
> and according to their spiritual
> leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
> Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
> than the God that others (non-Eckists)
> worship and pray to!
> "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
> a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
> while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
> However, Eckankar's true God,
> SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
> higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
> So, when Klemp or his missionaries
> use the word "God" it's not what
> they mean. They are really referring
> to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
> thinking of how stupid people are
> to think they are referring to the
> same God they believe in versus
> SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
> the foolish public might as well
> be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
> For some reason Klemp, the
> highest consciousness on earth,
> thinks that it's okay to deceive
> people with his "common language"
> where SUGMAD becomes "God."
> And, of course, ECKists have bought
> into this deception because they
> don't dare question the methods
> of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
> And so it goes on and on with
> more and more deception when
> ever "God" is mentioned by an
> ECKist or by Klemp. One would
> think that the Truth would be
> important to people who claim
> to be so "spiritually" evolved/
> advanced as Eckists believe they
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