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5862Re: Eckankar's God is not "God"

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  • prometheus_973
    Oct 1 4:13 PM
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      Hello Tyson and All,
      I don't even know what
      duality or beyond duality
      means when coming from
      scamming religionists.
      These people talk out of
      both sides of their mouth.
      They say what sounds "spiritual"
      or seems "profound" or
      logical because they claim
      to be enlightened authorities.
      But, they are hypocrites
      who love to twist and turn
      words to fit their greedy,
      self-serving, ego driven,
      power mongering agendas!

      The "Divine" might not even
      care about positive and negative
      traits, atoms, agendas, sex etc.

      Let's face one fact... mankind
      created and defined "God" in
      his own (man's) image. This
      Hindu stuff is just another
      view and explanation of
      cosmology like that from the
      Quran, Old Testament or of
      the Greek and Roman Gods,

      As far as Anami goes, PT claims
      that the Anami Lok is where
      Sugmad resides and, yet, the
      Anami Lok is the 10th Plane.

      Therefore, SUGMAD resides
      on the 10th and Klemp (the
      Mahanta) on the 14th. I guess
      that makes Klemp Higher than
      Sugmad! So, why doesn't HE,
      HK, want to be worshipped?
      I guess little Harry is a humble
      God... right? I love it when he
      has a chela mention his humility.
      Humble people never have to
      bring up that word... it's a
      given that others simply "know."
      Therfore, Klemp (by printing
      these comments about his
      "humility") isn't!

      Yes, Twitchell used Hinduism,
      Sikhism, Christianity and theosophy
      etc. to create a hodge-podge New
      Age religion just as distorted, if
      not more so, as his sources.

      There is a lot of Sikhism (and
      Sikhism has Hindu roots) via
      Ruhani Satsang and Radasoami
      and "The Path of the Masters"
      in Eckankar. This book, more
      than any other, was Twitchell's
      blueprint for creating Eckankar.

      Remember, too, Twitchell
      followed Kirpal Singh, of Ruhani
      Satsang, for ten years, and
      Kirpal had PT's Tiger's Fang
      manuscript until he returned
      it in 1966. The Rebazar character
      took the place of Kirpal after
      he and Twitchell had a falling
      out due to Paul's embellishments.
      Paul thought it'd be okay to
      portray himself with special
      spiritual powers and consciousness
      as long as Kirpal was given
      even greater powers. But,
      Kirpal didn't buy into it. He
      saw through Twitchell scam
      and knew he had ulterior motives.


      Tyson wrote:
      Harold and paul also claim
      that sugmad is beyond duality
      and that the universal mind
      (kal) is the negative pole of

      Yet paul also uses the hindu
      name Anami Purusha as a
      manifestation of sugmad.

      I think it means inconcievable
      or unknowable purusha.
      The name purusha is actually
      a God that sometimes refers
      to the universe itself for the
      universe is the body of purusha.

      purusha is also considered
      to be represented as male
      thus I see duality in this.

      Prakita is the divine mother
      (matter) purusha is the divine
      father (spirit) when the two
      come together spirit enters
      matter (lila) thus the divine
      dance of creation begins.
      I dont think eckists would
      like to know that there name
      purusha came from what
      I consider a beautiful Hindu
      myth and they owe there
      creation to hinduism not
      the other way around.

      Prometheus wrote:
      Hello All,
      > FYI: When Harold Klemp
      > or any member of the
      > Eckankar cult mentions
      > "God" it is not the same
      > God others worship. This
      > is a misdirection... a lie!
      > According to Eckankar's
      > Holy Book, The Shariyat-
      > Ki-Sugmad, and Klemp's
      > "Autobiography of a Modern
      > Prophet" (pg.385) the God
      > that all other religions
      > worship is Satan, i.e. the
      > Devil, KAL. Thus, the "God"
      > of Jews, Muslims, Christians,
      > etc. is a limited God and is
      > on a lower plane of consciousness
      > than any and all ECK Higher
      > Initiates!
      > Yes, EK High Initiates, according
      > to Eckankar's religious dogma
      > and according to their spiritual
      > leader and LEM/Mahanta, Harold
      > Klemp, have a "Higher" consciousness
      > than the God that others (non-Eckists)
      > worship and pray to!
      > "God" i.e. Allah et al. is merely
      > a 4th Mental Plane deity (Satan)
      > while Klemp is a 14th Plane God.
      > However, Eckankar's true God,
      > SUGMAD, is even a few rungs
      > higher than Klemp, the Mahanta.
      > So, when Klemp or his missionaries
      > use the word "God" it's not what
      > they mean. They are really referring
      > to SUGMAD, unless, they might be
      > thinking of how stupid people are
      > to think they are referring to the
      > same God they believe in versus
      > SUGMAD. To the foolish Eckists,
      > the foolish public might as well
      > be praying to EK Higher Initiates!
      > For some reason Klemp, the
      > highest consciousness on earth,
      > thinks that it's okay to deceive
      > people with his "common language"
      > excuse/approach/rationalization,
      > where SUGMAD becomes "God."
      > And, of course, ECKists have bought
      > into this deception because they
      > don't dare question the methods
      > of the 14th Plane Mahanta!
      > And so it goes on and on with
      > more and more deception when
      > ever "God" is mentioned by an
      > ECKist or by Klemp. One would
      > think that the Truth would be
      > important to people who claim
      > to be so "spiritually" evolved/
      > advanced as Eckists believe they
      > are!
      > Prometheus
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