5530Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: The Tiger's Fang
- Jan 3, 2011If Rebazar was not in the original T.F. manuscript
I would say Paul did more than just edit out Kirpal's
name. I would say Paul created pseudo history and
religion that is now a part of Eckankar dogma.
In my research I thought that Paul reportedly gave
a copy of his T.F. manuscript to at least two, maybe
three different people (not including Kirpal). I myself
would really like to view the original manuscript. One
that Doug Marman seems to believe was written at
some time in the 1950's.
Over the years I've also seen quotes reportedly from
manuscripts (originals of) Letters to Gail that do not
include Rebazar Tarzs, but Kirpal Singh. These are
still on the Net, but the individuals who shared these
illustrations were either anonymous or claimed they
did not remember where the quotes came from. IOW,
I was not able to confirm the sources and whether or
not these alternate versions were credible. Michael
Turner - over at a.r.e. - posted some of these at one
If earlier versions do exist, showing Kirpal Singh in
the originals of LTG and Eckankar materials, to me it
would evidence even more pseudo history / religion.
I think this subject needs to be investigated until a
point where the original manuscripts turn up. David L.
illustrated a number of earlier pieces that appear now
to have changed from the earlier versions. However I
don't recall David quoting the original Tiger's Fang as
if he had a copy of it.
IMO, every member of Eckankar should be allowed
access to a copy of that original T.F. manuscript that
in 1963 Paul Twitchell sent to his old master Kirpal S.
I'd certainly love to find a copy in an old book store, if
they have not yet been all quarantined, or destroyed.
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 6:06 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: The Tiger's Fang
I should say here that regardless
of Doug Marman's opinions Kirpal
finally returned "The Tiger's
Fang" Manuscript (not book) to
Paul in or around June, 1966.
There was no mention of "Rebazar"
in the original manuscript. Kirpal
was Paul's real Master and this
was the name he mentioned. Paul
substituted "Rebazar" for "Kirpal"
after they had a falling out about
Paul's exaggerations where he
tried to place both himself and
Kirpal on pedestals above all
others in the imaginary worlds
he had created. Kirpal wouldn't
have any of Paul's bullshit because
he hadn't paid his dues, so to speak,
and was a Westerner who, obviously,
needed to feed his huge ego.
Twit had an agenda and Kirpal saw
through it and wasn't going to be
used to validate Paul's scam. That's
why PT created Rebazar. This way
no one could really challenge him
since this "Master" only appears to
him. Of course, now, this imaginary
character appears in the dreams of
many Eckists. However, Klemp has
to validate and approve (in writing
or verbally in seminar talks) of what
has been seen and said. Rebazar isn't
permitted to hand anyone else the
Rod of ECK Power... even to hold
for a few seconds!
BTW- I thought Darwin stated that
he was from "Clarion" and not Venus.
Yes, it is funny the amount of crap
that we try to believe in or accept
because it's convenient and easy
to do so because the Truth would
hurt us. Klemp tells Eckists to take
a "Leap of Faith" and to use their
"imaginations." How does that one
EK song go, "Life life is only a dream... "
Paul did send a copy of the Manuscript
to Kirpal Singh and Kirpal said it was
not accurate as far as most of the content.
That was the end of his relationship
I have to say that as far as Pauls writings
they were all from his very vivid imagination.
The books "The Drums of ECK", The Talons
of Time" are pure Si Fi.
Darwin had me up to his place in San Fran.
He wanted me to a comic book on him.
He rambled so much I could"nt take notes.
He did tell me he was originaly from Venus.
Needless to say no comic book of Darwin
ever was made.
At that time I still believed in Eckankar
and so it was very confusing to me. I had
to do some mental gymnastics so I could
still believe. I was'nt ready to call It a Fraud
yet. It's amazing what one will do to keep
something you believe in with all your heart
true. I said to my self "He's the Mahanta
so I should'nt judge him" The Kal is making
me doubt him.
This was an experience that served me
well in the future to question and investigate
befor I decide if something is true or not.
> <etznab@> wrote:published by Lancer Books in 1969, with a Forward by Brad Steiger.
> > For anybody not familiar, a copy of this book was
> >came out first in 1967. Before that (at least 1966) was the book
> > As far as Eckankar books go, I believe The Tiger's Fang
Introduction to Eckankar.
> >but did nothing with the book until he offered it to Kirpal Singh in
> > Doug Marman writes: "Paul wrote The Tiger's Fang in 1957,
1963." (Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 6)
> >Rebazar Tarzs. However, the second paragraph of the first page reads:
> > On my 1969 copy of The Tiger's Fang there is no picture of
"In The Tiger's Fang you will meet Paul Twitchell's teacher, the
all-knowing Rebazar Tarzs ... [....]" That was the very first page.
Even before the Copyright page and the Forward by Steiger.
> >italics words with an asterik)reads:
> > The second paragraph of Steiger's Forward (I'm marking any
> >was written with the intent of recording an experience that occurred to
> > "The manuscript, according to its author, Paul Twitchell,
him while he was in the company of Rebazar Tarz, the greet Tibetan
master, who is one of the leading advocates of *Eckankar, the ancient
science of soul travel."
> > An introduction by Paul Twitchell (not in 1969, but 1979
> > is similar:experience that occurred to me, while in the presence of Rebazar Tarzs,
> > "This manuscript was written with the idea of recording an
the great Tibetan saint, who is the leading advocate of Eckankar, the
ancient science of Soul Travel." (p. vii)
> >World Wide seminar of Eckankar (I believe). Paul was already
> > ************************
> > Here is a little trivia for context. 1967 was the first
advertising Eckankar and Rebazar Tarzs in Understanding Magazine as
early as January 1967 (see link).
> >already in touch with Paul Twitchell by then:
> > http://danielfry.com/index.php?id=1067
> > Besides the year for the first EWWS in 1967, Brad Steiger was
> >chapter on him in my book, THE ENIGMA OF REINCARNATION (Ace Books,
> > "My association with Paul Twitchell began when I included a
1967). The mail response to that single chapter was enormous, to say
the least. [....]" [Based on: IN MY SOUL I AM FREE (ISBN
0-914766-11-2), by Brad Steiger (Copyright 1968?), p. 8]
> > In November 1967 Rebazar Tarzs was mentioned in Search
> >2nd Eck World Wide Seminar (I believe). There is a picture of Paul
> > http://tinyurl.com/384e7te
> > In 1968, Brad Steiger was featured as guest speaker at the
Twitchell at lower right corner here:
> >(January 1968) which, I believe, Paul said were to have no charge on
> > http://sites.google.com/site/pthswiki/
> > Moreover, 1968 was the year of the first Wisdom Note
them. The 4th paragraph of the first W.N. mentioned Rebazar Tarzs and
other "masters". (For those with the W.N. book take a look at that
paragraph for context.) From what I remember, those "masters" would be
in communication with some people and giving them instructions,
according to Paul.
> > Darwin Gross and Patti Simpson came to Eckankar in 1968, I
> >introduced - such as "ECK Master" and "living ECK Master", I believe.
> > BY this point, 1968, key Eckankar terms were being
Eventually, "Mahanta" would show up (by 1969, I believe). Books from
> > All About ECK, The Key to ECKANKAR, THE KANDJUR, and IN MYSOUL I AM FREE (Brad Steiger). (Not sure if THE KANDJUR was available
to the public.)
> >Eckankar books with mention of Rebazar Tarzs (1967). And (about that
> > ************************
> > So, The Tiger's Fang was one of the first published
book) Brad Steiger wrote in a forward: "Whether The Tiger's Fang is a
record of an actual spiritual journey or the vivid impression of a
vision that had been granted to few mortal men, must remain a matter
for the individual reader to judge. [....]" Of course, that was Brad
Steiger. And that was the 1960's.
> >years now - in the early 1980s wrote:
> > Harold Klemp - leader of Eckankar for about the last 30
> >["Eckankar Bible"] and make their own study. He never said to take the
> > "Paul encouraged people to read The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad
words as holy, as the last word. You take the words and check out the
teachings from within: Does this work for me or doesn't it? You have to
know. And based upon what you know is how you conduct your life out
here. This is what governs your relationship with your friends and your
family. It governs every aspect of you in the lower worlds, including
your ethics and morality."
> >doesn't it?
> > http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/writings.html#ideal
> > I like the part about "You have to know." Sounds good,
> > And I'd like to apply this to all of the writings / sayings /words by anybody. Period!
> >story told at the back of the book where a person tries to present an
> > In any case, The Tiger's Fang (the title) comes from a
imitation tiger's fang for the real thing. (Curious that. IMO.)
> >story is that one should first pull the tiger's fang before telling the
> > On p. 170 of the book (Rumi speaking?): "The moral of this
world that he is the killer of tigers."
> >"imitations" in any of the Eckankar writings.
> > It begs the question (IMO) whether there were / are
> >Near the very end of the book, where Rumi is speaking, Paul writes (p.
> > One other curious thing Paul added to The Tiger's Fang.
> >words flowing from Rumi. He looked up and watched them tumbling about
> > "A fight between two, wild shaggy men interrupted the
the floor of the Inn. Smiling he said, 'Let them fight, Let them kill
one another. That is their free will and their burden and not for us to
interfere unless we take upon ourselves a part of their karma. Not that
we should never feel the lack of sympathy but never invite yourself to
take the burden of another.' [....]"
> >introduction to Rebazar Tarzs ("leading advocate of Eckankar"). It
> > In all, The Tiger's Fang was more than just an
included several others. Like spiritual travelers ("masters") living on
other planes, along with lords and rulers of other planes. It even
included talks with historical figures from Earth's past.
> >clarify what is the truth along these lines I believe it incumbent on
> > "Imitations" any of them?
> > This is what I "have to" know. And if Eckankar can help to
the organization to do so. Afterall: "THEY OWN IT!"
> >Kirpal said it was not accurate as far as most of the content. That was
> > Etznab
> Paul did send a copy of the Manuscript to Kirpal Singh and
the end of his relationship with Kirpal!
> I have to say that as far as Pauls writings they were all from hisvery vivid imagination. The books "The Drums of ECK", The Talons of
Time" are pure Si Fi.
> Darwin had me up to his place in San Fran. He wanted me to a comicbook on him. He rambled so much I could"nt take notes. He did tell me
he was originaly from Venus. Needless to say no comic book of Darwin
ever was made. At that time I still believed in Eckankar and so it was
very confusing to me. I had to do some mental gymnastics so I could
still believe. I was'nt ready to call It a Fraud yet. It's amazing what
one will do to keep something you believe in with all your heart true.
I said to my self "He's the Mahanta so I should'nt judge him" The Kal
is making me doubt him.
> This was an experience that served me well in the future toquestion and investigate befor I decide if something is true or not.
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