5527Re: The changes in Eckankar from the view point of an old timer
- Jan 3, 2011--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>I had'nt realized how christionised Eckankar has become.
> Hello Diana,
> Darwin's paranoia sounds like what
> L. Ron Hubbard experienced. Klemp,
> too, is very paranoid and has Metal
> Detectors and rented Security Guards
> at the entry doors to the hall for his
> Saturday evening talk. Plus, he's got
> his own security force everywhere.
> Card carrying Eckists even have their
> bags searched at the Temple of ECK.
> HK only attends two major EK Seminars
> and he has them in Minneapolis! Klemp
> is a recluse and won't travel out of
> state to Seminars since even before
> That's interesting about DG making
> a promise to heal someone of cancer
> for sex and then when she said No
> Darwin states that he couldn't have
> healed her brother anyway!
> Klemp never makes any promises
> of healing cancer because he can't
> either. And, he has H.I.s at the ESC
> that have cancer and that have died
> from cancer and yet there's no healing...
> just promises of heavenly worlds to
> come. Those with the most faith/delusion
> will have the greatest rewards... so
> the story/promise goes.
> Klemp tried to get his oldest brother
> to go to Mexico for Latril treatments.
> Nothing worked, and Klemp couldn't
> heal him either.
> As I mentioned once before Klemp
> blessed a marriage of H.I.s and it
> ended in divorce. Klemp (the so-called
> Mahanta) can't even succeed at doing
> a "blessing" of a marriage between two
> of his H.I.s!
> dianastanley wrote:
> I heard about Darwin wanting to get a plane sometime befor he actually got one.
> I think I was proubly out of Eck when that happened so he must have been
> thinking about for a long while. I was told this by two men who were close to
> him and somewhat his confients.They were also my best friends. They are no
> longer in Eck either. I did'nt directly hear this from Darwin.
> As time went on Darwin was more and more paronoid. One time he came into the
> office completly crazy he was looking for a vidio or audio tape and demanded
> they give it to him. No one knew what he was talking about. So he started
> tearing up the computer room,then tipping over desks. Of course everyone just
> froze,what do you do when something like that happens. I think that was around
> the time when they finally kicked him out. This was told to me by a friend who
> worked in the office,I did'nt see it myself.
> Another friend came to me in tears. I asked what was wrong. She said that Darwin
> came to her and told her he could heal her brother of cancer if she would go to
> bed with him. She said NO then he said I couldn'nt have healed him anyway!
> This was the really sleezy stuff that finally got to me. It is only a fraction
> of the stuff he pulled.
> I went into a deep depression for a couple of yrs. Finally I pulled out of it.
> So I have a lot of sympathy for those who are experincing it now.
> prometheus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Diana,
> > > When did Darwin have a break-down?
> > > I know that he was very upset because
> > > he had a verbal agreement with Klemp
> > > about remaining on as the Mahanta, or
> > > at least as an ECK Master and Klemp
> > > reneged on it because of what happened
> > > with DG's little scheme, according to
> > > Klemp, to make some extra spending
> > > cash.
> > >
> > > At worst it was a misstep that could
> > > have been forgiven. But Klemp's overreaching
> > > negative reaction and purpose was to
> > > take Darwin down so that HK wouldn't
> > > have to share the throne.
> > >
> > > What was really disgusting is that
> > > Klemp resorted to using a fear tactic
> > > "the Black Magician" ruse on ECKists
> > > in order to gain support and use this
> > > as a justification to oust Darwin. Actually,
> > > Darwin's sin was merely having common
> > > human attachments that led to, supposedly,
> > > the misappropriation of EK funds. It was
> > > a misjudgment on Gross' part. Isn't it,
> > > supposedly, true that consciousness is
> > > won and lost moment to moment, and
> > > that this applies to EK Masters as well?
> > > Klemp couldn't take the chance that
> > > Darwin would be forgiven.
> > >
> > > How was Patti was instrumental on getting
> > > Darwin kicked out?
> > >
> > > Was it because she, as secretary, shared
> > > with others what was going on with his
> > > purchase of that private jet from a dummy
> > > company that he set-up to be used as
> > > a middleman? This way DG got a kickback
> > > on the purchase of the plane. Actually, the
> > > Board including Don Ginn and Peter Skelsky
> > > approved of the purchase in the first place.
> > >
> > > In truth, it could be that Darwin was
> > > innocent of any fraud against Eckankar...
> > > if you believe his version. He stated
> > > that this other company was set up
> > > in order to save Eckankar some taxes
> > > on the purchase of the plane and that
> > > it was a legal way of getting around
> > > the tax laws, and that Board members
> > > knew this. I don't know. I didn't think
> > > that religions, around 1981, had to pay
> > > taxes on anything, but I could be wrong.
> > >
> > > I didn't know about DG's cocaine problem
> > > and that was why he wanted the plane.
> > > Who did you hear that from? How do you
> > > know it was true? Didn't Darwin hang out
> > > with Rodney Jones a lot or vice versa?
> > > Was this cocaine use a musician thing?
> > >
> > > Rodney left EK for awhile but came back
> > > and is very active now.
> > >
> > > Prometheus
> > >
> > > Diana wrote:
> > >
> > > "Patty was a very loyal Eckist and wanted
> > > Paul's work to continure. She was on the
> > > board of Directors at the time of Darwins
> > > breck down and instrumental in getting
> > > him kicked out of Eckankar."
> Harold was a recluse when I knew him in menlo He would stay in the printing dept. I never saw him in the cafateria or any where else.
He sounds more and more like the Pope,with his personal body guards. Do they have a metal detector yet.
They must attract people who are tired of the religion they are in but still like all the rules and rituals that go with a religion.
It has morphed into an Eastern,christion religion with a touch of Harolds imagened Godhood. The pope is the only one people can reach God through.
Darwin knew He was'nt what He pretended to be. A GodMan.
It seems Harold really believes he is a Godman. That's even scarier.
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