5478Re: The changes in Eckankar from the view point of an old timer
- Dec 30, 2010--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>About the painting of the passing of the rod of power. When I painted it I was not even a second initiate, I was living with Helen Baird, who at the Time was a 5th also I was friends with Millie and yes I did talk to her shortly before she died.
> Hello Diana,
> Who did Paul find love with other than Gail?
> Was it Anitya Foos? Is it true that Gail was
> with Darwin in Oregon while Paul was dying
> in Cincinnati? I wonder how long Paul knew
> about their affair?
> Can you tell us about your painting where
> Darwin was passed the Rod of ECK Power
> by Paul with Rebazar standing near by?
> That was what the painting depicted wasn't
> The thing is, Paul had translated and was
> No Longer the "Living" ECK Master and,
> therefore, according to ECKankar dogma,
> Paul was no longer eligible to pass the
> Rod. It's only the LEM or the "torchbearer"
> (the fictitious Rebazar) who can pass it on.
> Yes, Joan was Klemp's secretary for several
> years (prior to their marriage) and traveled
> with him to seminars. I remember seeing
> them together at the Golden Heart Campout
> back around the Summer of 1987.
> I always thought it was strange that Marge
> still hung around doing her EK thing. She
> seems to have accepted Harold's disloyalty
> rather well. However, I'm certain that HK has
> made Joan a 9th initiate while Marge, I'm
> assuming, is still an 8th.
> What things did you see that "were terribly wrong?"
> I know that Darwin was a womanizer and a
> friend who worked at the ESC in Menlo Park
> told me how he would approach women staffers,
> but I have to take what she said with a grain
> of salt because she was somewhat nutty from
> too much EK brainwashing. She would tell me
> that he repeated things to her twice (versus
> 3 times) and that this was, thus, personalizing
> it rather than using a spiritual "Principle of
> the Threes approach.
> This same H.I. friend told me that the reason
> she came to reject Harold, and ECKankar,
> back around 1990, was due to her divorce.
> She married a RESA and HK had a pre-maritial
> meeting with them where he gave them and
> their marriage his "blessings." I think Marge
> officiated the wedding. Anyway, the marriage
> didn't work out and she blamed HK because
> his "Blessings" didn't work either. Thus, HK
> was/is a phony! She was very angry with him
> because Harold had told them that their
> marriage was karmically pre-destined. She
> was given the impression that this was a
> "good" thing.
> BTW- Were you still in touch with 8th initiate
> Millie Moore around the time of her death?
> I know that Millie was (still) smoking and Klemp
> was playing this down, although, people were
> reporting this back to him.
> It took me several years to, basically, get over
> the brainwashing of the EK teachings. It took
> longer to stop asking, looking to, or calling
> upon the "Mahanta." I never really saw this
> ideal Inner Master as being one and the same
> with Klemp. In truth, our own Inner master
> can be called mahanta or Soul, etc... It's each
> of us! Klemp is merely an impersonator!
> Diana wrote:
> I have to clarify what I acually experienced in person and what I heard from
> other people who I was very close to and believe to have told me the truth. I
> only can say what I experienced from 1971 to around 1984. I believe that in the
> begining, Gail really believed in Paul. After a short time most likely saw the
> Game. I know paul kept her on a tight leash. Then they both found love or lust
> in other places.
> I am not aware of what pattie did on the board intirely(please excuse the
> typos, I can't find my spell check and my finger nails are too long!)
> I only am aware of Pattie in the time I was in Eck. I don"t have any idea of
> what happened after I left.
> I am not supprised about Joan. She married Harold. Much to her husbands dismay.
> I got over my anger and dispair a few years after a left Eck, it took about four
> I realized that I wanted Eckankar to be what Paul said it was, I looked at
> everything through Eck colored glasses.
> When I was in Eck, even though I saw things that were terribly wrong, I would
> justify it by thinking "you are not supposed to judge the Mahanta" If you do it
> is the Kal making you do it. There must be some spiritual reason for these
> things to be happening. (I quessed at the time).
> As I look at it now it seems very simplisic and naieve but at the time I was one
> of the chosen ones and I think loath to give up that speacialness!
> prometheus wrote:
> > Hello Diane,
> > Actually Patti didn't like the way Klemp
> > and the Board were treating Darwin. She
> > was appointed to be Board Secretary, but
> > resigned the very next day and was immediately
> > replaced with Joan. I think this was in October
> > of 1983.
> > Gail has always landed on her feet. After divorcing
> > darwin and leaving Eckankar she sold Paul's Copyrights
> > and materials for $500,000 and later married a wealthy
> > man moved to Palm Springs and then after he died she
> > married another wealthy man.
> > I like to know how she was when she was married to
> > Darwin because I know that she was as bad as Paul
> > since she helped him get the scam (Eckankar) off the
> > ground.
> > BTW- Klemp has failed to mention Darwin's death
> > to the ECKankar membership... and yet, Darwin was
> > an EK Master (972) and passed the "Rod" to Klemp.
> > So, why can't we discuss Gail since she's also to
> > blame and responsible for Paul's and her con that
> > Klemp inherited?
> > Let's get the dirty laundry out there in the light of
> > day! When else are to to discuss Gail's involvement...
> > after she's dead and can't defend herself?
> > This site and most (as well as Fox News) are full of
> > opinion anyway so just make a mini-disclaimer with
> > "IMO."
> > I find it interesting that Patti didn't like the way
> > Klemp's Board was treating Darwin and this caused
> > her to resign her newly elected position and, now,
> > years later she friends with several of Klemp's
> > Higher Initiates. Like I said, Klemp still has anger
> > and ego issues that he can't let go of or else he
> > would have mentioned Darwin's death. I can't
> > understand why this doesn't bother Patti because
> > her EK friends are loyal to Klemp the fake Mahanta.
> > BTW- What did/do you think about the Virgin Birth
> > thing that Paul promoted for the Mahanta in the
> > 1st Shariyat? I'm amazed that Klemp didn't edit it
> > out!
> > Prometheus
> > Diane wrote:
> > When I knew Gail It seened she was pretty much under Pauls thumb,she was young
> and he was had a very strong personality.
> > Her relationship with Darwin was the very Oppisite. I don't mind discuing
> Darwin,as he is now dead. but I won"t discuss Gail as she is still around. You
> have to remember these are only my imprssions and what I experienced.
> > Patty was a very loyal Eckist and wanted Paul's work to continure.
> > She was on the board of Directors at the time of Darwins breck down and
> instrumental in getting him kicked out of Eckankar.
> > Prometheus wrote:
> > Hello Diane,
> > Please share some things about Gail
> > and Patti's character. I know that Gail
> > was Paul's cohort in the scam and I
> > also know that Patti knew what was
> > going on since she and Gail were like
> > sisters. Did they too enjoy the ego power
> > and see it all as a big joke being played
> > on needy fools with extra cash? Both
> > are supporting Doug Marman's books
> > about Paul, and Patti is still in touch
> > with many current long-time ECKists.
> > Patti may have been reinstated by
> > Klemp!
> > Prometheus
> > dianastanley wrote:
> > I started in Eckankar in 1971 when Paul was the Eckmaster. I have to say in
> > reading the posts after being out of it, I don'T rergonize it as the same
> > I was in Eckankar arount 12 yrs before I could no longer excuse the abuses
> > were going on.
> > I worked in the main headquarters in las Vegas and then we moved to menlo
> > I was the offical Eck Artist of the time. and knew all the main players.
> > I am not surprized at the Christian over tones I hear in Eck today.
> > I knew Harold when he worked in the printing department. I liked him, he was
> > rather shy and serious but had a good sense of humor. Befor he became an
> > he had wanted to be a minister in the church.
> > I see he has realized his dream!
> > When Paul first started Eckankar he did not want a tax free excemption from
> > IRS becouse he did not want it to be concidered a religion. when they began
> > making big bucks he decided being a religon wasn't such a bad idea!
> > anyway if anyone has any questions about the old days let me know.
> > I started in Eckankar when I was 27 and now I am 67 so I think I qualify as
> > old timer!
>Your answer to the Gail and Darwin affairs is Yes. I asumed they had an agreement,but that is only my asumption!
Anyway these higher initiates all told me what the passing was like, when it would happen and I should meditate.
The Painting was a combination of what was told to me and my own imagination also I have always had some ESP abilities so I'm sure I picked up a lot of stray thoughts. So much for that.
I did hear that when Darwin fell from Grace Harold and others went into the desert, Did somekind of ceremony and burned it then buried it! At least it got a good funerel. The thing that mystifys me is if they went to all that trouble,did they believe that it was what really happened and like a sacred object that had been cursed it had to be ceremonally destroyed? I kind of like that.
By the way what is a RESA?
Darwin was Drunk a lot of the time so I am not surprized if he repeated things. He also was on pain killers for his shoulder.
To be honest I can't remember all the allful things that were wrong.
I know Harold wrote me a letter thanking me for not talking. We had become pretty good friends before Darwin chose him to be the next Eck Master. The thing was Darwin figured he could get the heat off,as he had become too indiscreate in some of his activities,by having Harold as Eck Master and Darwin could stay in the back ground as the Mahanta and still have access to the Eckakar credit card.
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