5370Re: Ford Johnson's HCS vs Eckankar - What Ford doesn't do
- Sep 17, 2010Hello Non and Jonathan,
Interesting thread. I've been traveling
and away from the computer and just
now saw these posts.
I could only read about the first two-
thirds of Ford's "Confessions" and other
former ECKists have told me the same.
The rest of the book didn't interest me.
I never really found Ford's workshops
at EK Seminars all that interesting, for
me, because he seemed to be focused
upon manifesting success and the talks
seemed rather business oriented.
However, Ford is a dynamic speaker
and just listening to him present his
ideas was quite interesting and enjoyable.
Yes, I was at Ford's first HCS seminar
and was posting on his two sites at
one time but never did the paid membership.
HCS wasn't a religion, but it wasn't
something I wanted to join either.
I'm, now, an anti-joiner, mostly, and
when I do "join" something I certainly
don't buy everything they sell.
It's been a while since I read the whole book, but I do recall feeling that the
first half of the book was the best, and his discussion of religion in general.
He also showed how the original India version, Rhada Soami was not much better
or even the Sufi version from which most of the plagiarism came from. He does
however, seem to believe that eckists would not leave eckankar unless they had
something to take its place, and so he did try to have a big Seminar in Las
Vegas and monthly on line spiritual meetings in which they would chant HUM
instead of HU. Actually, now that I look at what I just wrote, maybe we should
just go to an ek function and chant HMM? several times in rhythm and inflection,
about 3 seconds apart. Just doing that makes me feel good and I can feel it
remove any eckieguilt leftover. : ) LOL
The problem as I see it, is that there is still too much in the direction of
spiritual grandiosity. We create all that happens to us, no exceptions, and
there just isn't enough of the kind of spirituality of Compassion. It's still
very New Age, IMO.
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he is open to change and
evolution of ideas as well as admitting to,"hmm, maybe that part wasn't so good
or a mistake". Otherwise, it's just more dogma like.
I'm still waiting for a Spirituality that includes a real sense of the
Scientific Method. Think of how many Chemists who literally gave their lives,
because their experiment blew up in their face, yet the periodic table is a
pretty amazing thing. To some it may be boring, but if you take your time and
get into newer theories about quantum theory and that scientists can actually
take pictures of atoms and electrons, etc., well, just think about the fact that
you cannot read this email without the technology utilized by chemists. And even
there, they are willing to admit that their theories are just that, and
creativity and change in thinking and ideas may take that technology to new
levels that solve problems world wide, including Global Warming, that I doubt
will be solved by positive thinking it away.
noneckster ; )
>Eckankar seminars for many many years. But eventually he saw through Eckankar's
> I thought that I would add another comment on Ford's book.
> I am a former 29 year member of Eckankar. Yes, Ford was the top speaker at
lies and fabrications and felt it was his responsibility to write a book
correcting all the unintentional lies he had been telling people while a member.
Of course, when that happened, members of Eckankar turned on him and said he was
an agent for the Kal (devil), was based on the mental plane only (not
spiritual), and was interested in getting rich by writing an expose about
Eckankar. I know what they said because I was still a member. Funny how these
same people were praising him the day before he left Eckankar. Yet he was the
same heart-based individual after he left Eckankar as before he left.
>is a tactic that members of Eckankar use to discredit Ford. I read the book;
> Also, there is no anger coming from Ford in his book. Stating that it is there
there is no anger coming from Ford. I strongly suspect that the anger is being
generated by the Eckists themselves who read the book, and they lack the ability
to differentiate things properly.
> >Confessions Of A Godseeker. A person wrote a review that I pretty much agreed
> > All,
> > I was over at Amazon.com reading some of the reviews for Ford Johnson's book
with, but at the end stated that Ford wanted to make his own spiritual movement
like Eckankar's. Whether they literally meant that Ford's Higher Consciousness
Society resembled Eckankar is something I am not sure of. while it is true that
a lot of HCS does resemble Eckankar, it also resembles the religions that
Eckankar was based on. Regardless, there a lot of very important differences
between Eckankar and Ford's group.
> >to put it here. Everything between the two dashed line is my comment which I
> > I tried to post a follow-up comment on Amazon, but I couldn't. So I decided
would have posted over there.
> >didn't impress me either. But your saying "his own spiritual movement like
> > - - - - - - - - - -
> > Ford did start his own "Higher Cosciousness Society" as he calls it, and it
Eckankar" is a bit wrong. Let me explain what Ford DIDN'T do in his Higher
Consciousness Society. These are all things that Eckankar DOES DO.
> >are sleeping at night."
> > Ford
> > (1) did not copy other's writings and then claim them as his own
> > (2) did not say "I am God realized. Follow me."
> > (3) did not say "Sing HU and visualize me."
> > (4) did not say "Give me your problems. I will solve them for you when you
> > (5) did not say "If you leave my group, you will suffer in astral Hellsuntil you accept me again."
> > (6) does not promise that if you follow his routine that you will never haveto suffer through another incarnation on Earth
> > (7) does not insist that his way is better than everybody else's,Consciousness Society.
> > (8) does not say that every religion in the world sprung out of his Higher
> > (9) does not charge a membership fee of over $120 a yearadvertizes his group at all.
> > (10) does not spend a ton of money advertising his group. I don't think he
> > (11) does not have an "initiation routine" set up in order to keep hismembers preoccupied with something that has no intrinsic meaning or value.
> >better than Ford's. I don't use either, but even if you are correct, what price
> > At the end of your comment, you also state that Eckankar's techniques are
do people have to pay to use Eckankar's techniques? You have to sign your life
over to the present leader of Eckankar. You have to accept him as you savior.
You have to promise to dedicate your life to him (that happened to me during my
second initiation). Ford doesn't require anything like that.
> > - - - - - - - - - -
> > Everybody can feel free to add any additional differences.
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