5341Re: Worship of Personality- Eckankar Style (BTW)
- Sep 8, 2010BTW- It should, also, be pointed out that
ECK H.I.s are "higher" than the "God" of all
religions since this GOD is no higher than
the 4th Plane! Now, explain to me why these
H.I. "Gods" cannot communicate completely
on the "inner" with the "highest" God... the
LEM/Mahanta? Why are these ECKist Gods
so limited? Is ECKankar a Big Fat Lie? Yes!
Really, think about it. Klemp states in his
"Autobiography," on page 385, that the
God of all religions is a 4th (Mental) Plane
God and most H.I.s are 5th-7th Plane.
Now, H.I.s should ask themselves, after
their heads deflate, how do I, as well as,
Klemp demonstrate this Level of Awareness
that is "beyond" God's Consciousness?
Okay, wake up! Here's the Catch-22.
ECKists cannot experience "God Consciousness,"
permanently, unless they become 8th Initiates.
So, the 4th Plane God's Consciousness
can only be experienced permanently
when they become 8th initiates! However,
remember that this 4th Plane God is KAL,
i.e. the Devil, Satan.
BTW- Isn't Sugmad also referred to as "God"
in the EK Teachings? Sure! So, 8ths can experience
SUGMAD (God) Consciousness on a regular basis?
I don't think Klemp would allow this interpretation!
HK's too selfish to put even 8ths on that level.
It's too close to where he's standing is on the
FYI- I happened to look up "ECK Masters"
(12th initiates) in Klemp's 1st Lexicon and
read that these guys "have reached a state
of consciousness of relative perfection."
Yet, isn't this said of our (4th Plane) God?
Didn't 14th Plane Klemp once say that he
too "wasn't perfect?" Confusing isn't it?
That's the whole point! This is why ECKists
aren't supposed to question the ECK Teachings
beyond their 2nd initiation, or else one
will be Black Listed on Initiations and/or
shunned. ECKists aren't permitted to
sort out the facts from the myth or from
the distortions and lies that Twitchell handed
down to D.G. and to Klemp.
ECKankar is all make believe and comfortable...
it's the Easy Way!
Hello Avonblue and ALL,
Klemp is a hypocrite. I saw and heard him
chastise a woman at a Spiritual Laws Seminar
in Toronto once because during a Q&A she
"adoringly" asked him a question. Klemp
wanted to make it clear to everyone there
that he was Not to be worshipped. His words
to her were cruel and overreactive. I felt
sorry for her she was crushed. I'm sure
Klemp saw this as using "tough love," but
in truth he violated the: "Is it True; Is it
Necessary; Is it Kind" spiritual rule (of the
Buddha) that many ECKists attempt to follow.
Then again, at EK Seminars just watch
how ECKies hang onto Klemp's every
word and laugh and giggle at his nervous
and poorly made attempts at humor.
ECKists act as though they are in a trance
or under a spell... from a Black Magician.
And, Klemp eats it up! He loves the silly
laughter... all the way to the bank.
Yes, ECKists still worship him, but it's
because he is the "Mahanta" who is 10
Planes of Con. HIGHER than the "God" of:
Islam; Christianity; Judaism; Hinduism;
et al because these are 4th Plane religions.
Klemp states this, of other religions, on
page 385 of his "Autobiography." PT
stated it as well in the Shariyat. Thus,
if "GOD" (Kal, devil, satan) is of 4th Plane
and HK as LEM is of the 12th and as
Mahanta of the 14th Plane then why
wouldn't he be worshipped? BTW- When
is Klemp going to start to act like a 14th
Plane GOD? Why does "GOD" need snail-
mail IROs or "outer" Seminars, etc.?
Really, Klemp (even as the 12th Plane LEM)
is not only much more "Higher" and spiritually
evolved than Muhammad, Jesus, Krishna,
Buddha, etc. but also more spiritually advanced
and evolved than the "God" these Prophets,
and Masters worshipped.
Yet, Klemp states that he doesn't want to
be "worshipped" even though he has created
an "ECK Worship Service" (EWS). However,
Who/what is "worshipped" at an EWS? It's
Klemp! He states that he is one with the
ECK and is the ECK!
See, Klemp is using Black Magic and Brainwashing
techniques on ECKists. Is this a Catch-22, or
some kind of a Paradox? It's really just a manipulation
and a lie. Then again, in some ways it is a Catch-
22 for ECKists. Klemp wants to have it both ways,
but it's the ECKists' getting screwed. This delusional
thinking is just accepted without question. After
years and years of overlooking the obvious contradictions
one finally gives in and "surrenders" their intellect
and rational thinking. This is the "Leap of Faith"
that HK has spoken about and it's the same one
that the 4th Plane religionists must take in order
to accept those lies as well.
I always found it ironic the way eckankar claims its followers are taught to not
worship the personality of the master but instead to recognize the inner
consciousness of whomever this being happens to be in the physical. Yet with
increasing frequency since the Twitch/Gross era, numerous photos of Klemp have
been produced and marketed to the ekkie public. Furthermore, as has been noted
by others repeatedly, the photo(s) of Klemp are all of the
pre-gray/balding/thinner man. I recall numerous conversations and discussions
in classes, seminars, literature where eckists (or Klemp himself) would chastise
those not able to make the "spiritual" jump from Paul to Darwin or Darwin to
Klemp, claiming they were worshipping or "attached" to the man, not recognizing
the inner consciousness beyond the physical form.
In MIchael Largo's new book, "God's Lunatics" he's created an encyclopedia of
the ridiculous and comical to the horrific and maniacal search for god as
expressed in every conceivable religious practice throughout the ages (he even
cites eckankar with Venusian origins). Most interesting is his description of
the Cult of Personality or Celebrity Worship.
He claims Khrushchev was the first to use the phrase "cult of personality" in
reference to his disapproval of Stalin's massive media campaign to elevate
himself to a god. He tells how Hitler, Mao, Saddam, Kim-Jong-II and others of
this ilk who "made their omniscient presence a part of daily life through the
proliferation of their image." These images, he states, were accompanied by the
message of their goodness, wisdom and power and this influence was impossible to
Does this sound at all familiar? I find it very revealing of the cult ethics
this organization openly utilizes but never professes to. Having been there I
know how difficult it is to see the trickery when you're caught in the
brainwashing and taught over and over to "trust" the "master" or trust your
inner guidance. Of course the inner guidance eckists believe they have has all
been expertly crafted from their very first days of participation. How?
Remember being taught to avoid the writings of other teachers/practices and only
read ek literature in the beginning as it will "confuse you" and slow your
progress? If you shun, doubt, disregard the "master" you risk becoming lost in
the astral worlds... , really? So we're supposed to accept a farm boy from
Wisconsin was sent here to guide us back - that we have no ability or inherent
wisdom ourselves? If we don't accept eckankar over any number of crackpot
philosophies out there we'll have to return again and again until we do? Wow -
I actually believed some of this stuff!!!
More interesting but beyond the scope of this post is what neuroscience has
revealed about the mind and it's functional ability and deficits as well as what
quantum physics has revealed about the seen and unseen physical universe over
the last 10 years or so. Seems all the stuff of religion and spirituality is
emerging science after all. All the inner powers and gifts that eck claimed to
offer was there all along. Take a little time to investigate even the layman
books on these subjects - it's fascinating. Of course that's if you can get by
the other ek credo that looks at the mind, and rational thought for that matter,
as just a lowly bodily function.
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