5335Re: EK: Lust vs Discrimination; Path: Lust vs Chastity (P.S.)
- Sep 4, 2010Hello Jonathan,
I reread what I had previously written
and thought I should give some
clarification on Maharishi's instructions
for us to remain chaste during the
TM "Program" for Siddha training.
This 1st Phase of training was an intense
two week course in the Catskills. Other
than for this training we, as householders
or "Citizen" Siddhas, were not instructed
to practice chastity. Plus, we "couples"
complied because we wanted the best
results for the money. This was an expensive
course ($3,000 each), even, for way back
in the '70s!
FYI- The Sutras, like the one used for
the Flying Technique, came from Patanjali.
You can find some of these in the 1953
book "How To Know God" translated
by Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher
BTW-The Sutra for the TM
"Flying Technique" is thus:
But first this-
The clearing of the mind is
like pouring pure clear water
into a bottle of ink. The ink
(your thoughts) will flow out
as the water flows in. Eventually
the ink in the bottle will be
replaced by clear pure water.
Sit comfortably in a quiet
room. Close your eyes and
quiet your mind. Breathe easily,
gently, and naturally... don't
allow any attention to be placed
upon your thoughts or upon
your breathing. Let both be
natural. Gently clear and quiet
your mind without forcing it.
Let Go of all the thoughts rushing
in. Don't hold onto any of them
even if it seems fun to follow
them. Let All of these thoughts,
Ever So Gently, go into the ethers.
Take your time and relax until
your mind and breathing settle
Now visualize yourself holding
a ball of cotton. In the bright
light of day take your fingers
and pull it apart! Now, see the
loose fibers gently floating
in the air and rising upwards.
As you visualize this think...
"Light As Cotton Fiber!"
Feel the spiritual energy in
the Crown Chakra ready to
descend downwards through
the Kundalini! Repeat this!
> Hello Jonathan,
> I'm not sure if speaking to a Hindu and/or a Sikh
> would give clarification to your question. That's
> like asking a "Christian" a question about belief.
> What dogma does the Christian follow? There are
> so many beliefs and each individual interprets it
> As I mentioned most "householders," or normal
> people, are expected to practice chastity when
> the woman can no longer produce offspring.
> Thus, there is no sex outside or inside of marriage
> beyond a certain stage of life. Having sex inside
> of marriage when the woman can no longer reproduce
> is seen as the same as having sex outside of the
> marriage... it's still lust and this is an attachment
> to worldly desires... and to a lower chakra (consciousness).
> BTW- I was in TM for six years before joining Eckankar
> and was a Siddha. Although not a Governor I volunteered
> as a "checker" and had duties somewhat to that of an ESA.
> I had to make sure people were meditating properly
> and were comfortable with their mantra. People were
> discouraged from writing them down and would at
> times forget them. It would be two or three syllables
> but the way the mantra was pronounced would naturally
> "change." Actually, the key word was "natural." Sometimes
> I would step out of the room and consult my "list" before
> going back in to help them remember their mantra.
> The kundalini was used to direct energy down
> through the chakras in order do the flying technique,
> and we were instructed not to have sex during the
> The "flying technique" was supposed to cause levitation
> and was a physical side effect to Higher Consciousness.
> But, the only "effect" I ever saw was hopping. However,
> when one was sitting in a full lotus position and chanted
> the sutra (with the visualization) the energy channeled
> through the kundalini did produce an electrical charge.
> Of course there was a certain amount of expectation but
> we were simply being open to whatever. The result was
> like touching an electrical wire to a frog's leg and getting
> a muscle response. Therefore, the hopping (on thick high
> density foam mattresses) was effortless and could be
> done, easily, and with minimal exertion for 20 minutes.
> However, TM was a very expensive and distracting ruse
> and with more discipline than Eckankar requires.
> I'm kind of surprised that I took the bait with Eckankar
> after that. But, at least I did remain skeptical and this
> enabled me to be more open minded when Ford's book
> came out.
> jonathan wrote
> Thanks for the two additional messages clarifying things. It's an interesting
> I'd really love to talk to a Hindu or Sikh from India and ask them exactly what
> these gurus mean by "lust" and "chastity." I am getting the intuitive impression
> that for them, "lust" is ANY sex outside marriage. In other words, people can
> only have sex during marriage, so any sex that takes place outside marriage
> obviously results from the fact that they can't control their sex drive. And so
> they automatically call this "lust."
> I was in TM (Transcendental Meditation) for about two years before joining
> Eckankar. I read Maharishi's little paperback book. He spent a LOT of time
> talking about how important it is to "sublimate the sex drive and direct it
> toward something else." So sublimating the sex drive, or controlling it, is
> extremely important in Hinduism.
> Somebody told me that married Hindus are expected to stop having sex after they
> stop having children. I had a Chinese girlfriend who was born in Taiwan, but
> mostly raised in the USA. She once told me that her parents had intercourse only
> two times. Incredulous, I asked "How do you know that?" She replied "Once for
> me, and once for my sister." The point is that I am getting the impression that
> Hindus almost seem to believe that sex is only for procreation.
> I think all of this may be important to figuring out where Kirpal Singh was
> "coming from" when he was discussing lust and chastity.
> But you are right in your analysis of Twitchell. His version is not at all the
> same as Kirpal's version. I think you did a good job documenting what Twitchell
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