5325Re: What Makes Klemp a Prophet... a second book?
- Aug 27, 2010Hello Jonathan and All,
In "Difficulties" Paul was
referred to as a "saviour."
Actually, HK's "Modern Prophet"
designation reminds me more
of Islam's use of the term, as
well as, the Mormon use of
"Prophet." Of course HK is a
14th Plane God while these
others are relegated to the
lower planes ruled by Satan
(i.e. the Devil, Kal).
Therefore, (IMO) I see less
connection to Christianity when
HK uses "Prophet" to describe
himself. I see it as more of a
term a cultist would use. I think
he's conflicted and is doing this
because he wants to play down
the "Mahanta" title since the so-
called Mahanta is 10 Planes above
the "God" that every other religion
prays to and worships... this is
a much higher status than that
Jesus or Mohamed.
And, let's face it, Klemp just can't
live up to the Mahanta Job Description.
Maybe that's the real reason he
plays it down. I still don't see why
ECKists haven't questioned HK's
qualifications. According to the
Shariyat 1 he (the Mahanta) was
to have had a virgin birth. Harold
was the second child born by his
mother and was not adopted!
Thus, Twitchell has been the only
Mahanta to this date!
However, that brings up another
discussion. The Shariyats are said
to have been merely "transcribed"
by Twitchell. The original author
of Book One is listed as Fubbi and
Book Two's author is listed as Yaubl.
I wonder why Rebazar didn't dictate
a Shariyat to Twit?
Anyway, why are these Eckankar Holy
Books offered to the public andr to lower
initiates? Nothing can be reinterpreted
or viewed from another perspective as
it is with the Christian Bible. Every
scriptural interpretation or dream, etc.
must be validated and approved by Klemp
before it can be "taught" and/or promoted.
Klemp has total control. Therefore, why
even offer this EK Scripture to the EK
Membership let alone to the general public?
Yes, ECKankar practices bait and switch.
One doesn't discover this, and the implications,
until one becomes indoctrinated and
brainwashed via trusting all of those
I can't answer your question about what makes Klemp a prophet, but I would like
to comment on two other things related to Eckankar's calling Klemp a prophet.
First of all, Eckankar could easily make Klemps' weekly radio broadcast in
Chanhassen available on Eckankar.org. I haven't actually looked there, but I am
assuming that it is not there. Or they could even make mp3s of the broadcast and
distribute them for free on Eckankar.org. (Ha ha! Fat chance of Eckankar giving
something away for free!)
Secondly, "prophet" is a term used widely by Christianity. Islam obviously uses
it too, but that is a translation from Middle Eastern languages. So I see
Eckankar's use of the term prophet as applied to HK as another example of
Eckankar imitating Christianity in order to make themselves more appealing to
people of Christian ancestry.
Twitchell used terms like "satguru" and even "avatar," and probably other words
of Indian origin. Those terms tend to color Eckankar as a religion from India.
Eckankar is from India, of course, but Eckankar wants to de-emphasize that in
its initial portrayal of itself to potential new members. So using the term
"prophet" allows Eckankar to further distance itself from Paul's "India-colored"
version of Eckankar. Paul's version of Eckankar actually worked for Eckankar in
the 60s and 70s when the Beatles and others were turning to eastern religions
such as Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation (TM). But today, Eckankar
continues to distance itself from that image, at least in its initial
presentation to non-members.
So using a Christian term and avoiding an Indian term is really part of the same
process. The Christian term cancels out any weird-sounding East Indian term like
"Mahanta." Of course, new members do find out the truth eventually.
In case any historians like Etznab read this, Paul used the word avatar in one
of his cassette tapes. I learned the word from him and his tape. And also, he
mispronounced the word. He pronounced the first syllable like "save." So I
pronounced the word incorrectly for 30 years, all the way up to when the movie
came out. And just because I am such a perfectionist, I asked a man from India
who was in an Indian grocery store how it is pronounced in India. He told me the
standard American pronunciation with the first syllable pronounced like "have."
I forgot to mention that the word avatar comes from Sanskrit; that's why I
assumed that a person from India would know how to pronounce it correctly.
avatar - Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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