5202Eckankar membership exit interviews
- Feb 16, 2010Hello All,
I've never heard of "exit interviews"
done for a religion either. Is Eckankar
a business, or a religion, or both?
Both! And, I too wouldn't recommend
going to one. There's too much trickery
and word playing going on!
The "Exit Interview" could be a new
procedure that the ESC is experimenting
with and has set this up for certain regions.
Or, it could be the brain child of this particular
RESA. In any case what would be the purpose
of the interview except to get you to change
your mind! However, they might also want
to use the interview to get chelas to squeal
on other like-minded Eckists. Klemp might
want the RESAs to identify the other rotten
apples in the barrel, and have them attend
a special re-indoctrination (training workshop).
I recall that after Ford Johnson wrote
"Confessions of a God Seeker" that some
ECKists (with and without the approval
of their RESA, or the ESC) attempted to
do interventions. They let their fellow
Eckists know that they were available
to intervene with anyone who had read
Ford's book and was upset by it and had
They claimed to have "read" Confessions
and, thus, had the ammo to disprove Johnson's
facts. They could turn things around for
ECKists who were "confused." The truth
is that these know-it-alls (mini-masters)
had speed-read Ford's book (just to say
they had read it). Next, they attempted
to use HK's double talk and PT's (compiled)
Shariyat quotes and their own delusional
ekperiences to manipulate people's views
and twist Ford Johnson's words by taking
quotes out of context. It's kind of like what
the lackeys in the Republican Party do to
This "exit interview" sounds like it could
be an intervention in disguise.
For me, responsibility starts at home.
I never had the need to resign from
Eckankar. After all, since Klemp claims
to be ALL KNOWING, and higher than
the 4th Plane "God" of all other religions,
why would it be necessary for me, or
anyone, to write him a snail-mail letter
or tell other H.I.s of my resignation?
HK can read minds, and Souls, and tell
the future! He's a 14th Plane God! He
should have known it before it happened!
Why should a person write a resignation
letter to the ESC, unless, Eckankar was
giving prorated refunds on memberships!
Besides, Eckankar will continue to spend
money on those mailings they send out
unless you notify them otherwise... so
don't do them any favors! Let them spend
that money on those donation letters and
seminar news and on the other mailings.
Every little bit hurts, and, it's their karma!
Actually, if an Eckist wanted to unload
on Klemp with a bluntly worded letter
and didn't care about the outcome then
make it an IRO or HIRO Letter. Don't make
it a resignation letter! Sure, you might be
demoted to a 1st initiate, or told to read
the Shariyat for one year, but you might,
also, get excommunicated!
That last one would, actually, be sort
of cool! No! I take it back. It would
Definitely be Cool to be excommunicated
by that fake master - crabby old Klemp
(the tired-ass Mahanta).
Did your tenure in eckankar teach you nothing, johnathan?
Must each of us consult your protocol book prior to leaving the cult?
My friend chose not to do a 'disappearing act'. She chose to tell her eck
clergy of choice her reasons for leaving. She had her reasons for choosing this
particular ESA; namely, they were on friendly terms, and, she feels, he will
tell the others.
How do you presume to know her motives? Who are you to dictate how she handles
her departure? Please.
At any rate, my initial post invited comments concerning "exit interviews",
which I have not heard of.
>wasn't for her any more."
> I'm really confused by your initial post. First you say
> "A friend called me today to tell me that she had quit Eckankar."
> Then you say
> "She phoned an ESA that she was comfortable with, and briefly said that it
>get some kind of approval from them. Where do I get the idea that she wanted
> I then stated that if your friend quit she should not be contacting Eckists to
approval? You specifically stated "She phoned an ESA she felt COMFORTABLE with."
(my emphasis). So once again, if she quit, why is she contacting Eckankar at
all? She should be getting on with her own life. And second question "Why is she
specifically contacting an ESA that she feels COMFORTABLE with?" I don't get it.
It sounds to me like she really hasn't quit Eckankar at all.
>group, as well as the Corp, to know her reasons for leaving - and knew this
> You also said:
> "She quit in the manner that was most reasonable for her. She WANTED the local
loud-mouthed ESA would be the best megaphone she could find. The ESA's
approbation never entered the issue."
>to join a message board and speak out. She's clueless if she thinks that
> Why would she even care what Eckankar thinks? Tell her to grow up. Or tell her
Eckankar really cares why she left. Not only that, it is none of their business
if she already left.
>your first post, you say that in talking to the ESA "she briefly said that it
> Also, you change your story again from your first post to your second post. In
[Eckankar] wasn't for her any more [sic]." Then in your second post you say that
she "knew this loud-mouthed ESA would be the best megaphone she could find." It
seems like you changed your story because first you say that she told the ESA
next to nothing, then you say that she wanted a loud-mouthed megaphone. "Why
would she want a loud-mouthed megaphone if she told her next to nothing about
why she left Eckankar? Again, the fact that she is telling her reasons (sob
story) to a loud-mouthed megaphone Eckist is telling me that she wants attention
or pity from Eckankar because she feels that they wronged her. Seeking attention
from the entity that abused you is giving all of your power to them. Tell her
that she is giving all of her power to Eckankar. She needs to consolidate her
power within herself. And the best way to do that is simply to ignore Eckankar.
>sentences, and explain exactly what happened, I would have a much easier time
> And, Zoey, maybe if you would make a post containing more than three
figuring out what you are talking about. And I would have an easier time making
a sensible comment. And I wouldn't have to use my "psychic powers" to figure out
what you are talking about.
>member of Eckabkar, and are contemplating leaving Eckankar, just leave. Don't
> So now I am going to address everyone except you Zoey. If you are presently a
agree to any "exit interview" because you don't owe Eckankar anything. To give
you an analogy, if you are in an abusive relationship and then you quit, then
you're done. And its now time to take care of yourself, not be concerned about
the other person, i.e., the abuser. If you are the person who can remain friends
with people who you knew in Eckankar, then go ahead and do that. Otherwise, just
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