5158EK initiations, second guessing and "love" baby!
- Jan 30, 2010Hello Zoey,
I can understand the confusion. Klemp
likes to keep his flock off-balance and
second guessing. Initiations more mental
than anything via the imagination except
for one's physical membership card with
the number of one's plane of con. Oh, there
are also those physical "pink slips" too.
Basically, 1-9 are inner and outer,
10-11 are inner, 12 is inner and outer,
and 13-14 are inner.
In The Masters 4 Discourse, Lesson 2
is the following:
"Third, the final part of the Ninth
Initiation occurs in the physical
In Klemp's 1998 ECK Lexicon is this
on page 226:
"Voice of Akivasha. The oracle, until
the first of this century, at a craggy,
unexplored site called the Oracle of
Tirmer in the Valley of Shangta in
northern Tibet. It is here that the
Rod of ECK Power is passed from
the departing LEM to his successor
on October 22 [Twitchell's Birthday],
at midnight; sometimes called the
Voice, or Oracle, of Tirmer."
It should be noted that this is a
physical, earthly, and "outer" location,
although, it might be claimed that
one travels there in the Astral Body
which resembles one's physical body.
This is why there are paintings and
drawings of these people. Any body
higher than the Astral would not
otherwise have the same identifiable
It should be noted that in Klemp's
1987 book, "Soul Travelers of the
Far Country" on pages 186-187 that
"The Ninth Initiation came on July 22,
1981. Initiations in ECK beyond the
Eighth are given ONLY on the inner
Of course, Darwin had to confirm
HK's 9th on the outer. It seems that
the 10th and 11th are minor initiations
since Klemp achieved these between
July 22, 1981 and October 22, 1981!
Of course Klemp had to backtrack
for the Masters 4 Discourse because
how can one anoint card carrying
9ths without an "outer" confirmation
Else wise, everyone would be
running around claiming to be
a 9ths. It's bad enough that 7ths
are claiming to be 8ths (on the inner),
or that 8ths are claiming to be 9ths
on the inner or that some Eckists
skip initiations and, thus, there
are 5ths claiming to be 8ths
(on the inner).
I hope that this info and perspective
has helped to clarify the nonsense
behind ECK Initiations.
BTW- It seems that Eckists don't
really need the Initiations, EK Books
and Membership Cards, or Zoas,
or Guidelines, Discourses, or Laws
or Donations of Coin and Service...
all they need is love!
There is a Klemp quote in the
Jan. 2010 "Letter of Light" that
"Love is love. And this is what
the ECK teachings are all about.
Purely love, and just love. Simply
Yep! All you need is love! Very
simple and yet so profound!
Say, wasn't that Jesus' message
2000 years ago?!
Hey prometheus. Some time back there was
a discussion here concerning eckankar
initiations, inner and outer. If you can remember,
can you tell me which initiations are considered
entirely inner, and which are required to also
have an outer initiation with an eck clergy?
My friend and I are curious about this.
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