5043Re: HK's God-Realization Promise and the 8th Initiation!
- Oct 29, 2009Hello Etznab and All,
Or, we could look at "The" living
"saviour" origin as well. I don't
know! However, PT realized that
people needed a living idol to adore
and had this Mystic World article
written in his behalf:
"But few ever connect him up with
being a holy man, the MAHANTA,
the Living ECK Master. There is a
need of the people to believe in
the magic of a saviour, and Sri Paul
Twitchell knows this and acts out
the part." [April-May-June 1971,
Difficulties of Becoming the LEM,
However, in order to become a
"Saviour" Paul had to have had
a Virgin Birth (this is SOP). The
following comes from pages 251-
253 of Difficulties of Becoming
the Living ECK Master:
"Ramaj, viceroy for Sat Nam...
Rebazar Tarzs... Gopal Das..and
Yaubl Sacabi... met to discuss
the birth of the coming Avatar
for the Twentieth Century,
Peddar Zaskq. Born in the
Caucasian mountains during
the seventeenth century...
Given several years in the art
of silence and Darkness he gained
enlightenment in preparation
for his return to the Twentieth
Century. [HK should take note
of this next statement] When
the time came for his demise,
he passed away still looking
the same youthful appearance
yet beyond the normal age of
This time Peddar Zaskq was
born on a Mississippi River
packet enroute to New Orleans.
The miraculous birth took place
just below the city of Natchez,
Mississippi just below a stock
farm (manger)... There appeared
a Blue Carnation in a vase on
a night table by THE mother's
bed... It was immediately
arranged for him to be given
a home in which to be raised.
His foster parents raised him
in a small southern river town
[Paducah, Kentucky]. He adopted
their name and became known
as Paul Twitchell." [end of quote]
We, also, have Twit saying this
as an excuse for his lies and self-
promotion [pg. 126]:
"So therefore we got to be, to
place ourselves in the mainstream,
which I hope I do and I have to say,
unless I make myself a Historical
Figure, the struggle of ECK for
survival is useless. And the question
of that comes up, well, why? Why
do you make such a statement as
that? Every man who sets out to
do something in this world, unless
he made himself a Historical Figure,
then he never again is remembered
except by a few when he passes."
PT's Paris (Kentucky) Story is
on page 254 and comes from
an article in The Mystic World
"The rest of his story is told in
fragments of his first visit to
Paris to be with his stepsister,
who was in training to be an
artist. It was here that he first
met Sudar Singh, an ECK Master,
and followed him to India with
his stepsister to study ECK..."
More about "Paris" (Kentucky)
from pages 38-40:
"Later I would be able to go to
Paris to see my sister who was
studying art at one of the art
studios Over There. She was
under an instructor who had
studied under Degas... who was
a very famous portrait painter
of the opera and the ballet during
his day in PARIS."
Thus, we can clearly see that Twit
was lying and trying to deceive us
into thinking this was Paris, France
(not Paris, Kentucky) since he's
including Degas in the story.
"I suppose that that's where she
got her ability to paint figures
because she had COPIED Degas
time and time again... Well, in
living in Paris, I was quite happy
at the time when I was OVER there
with my SISTER, my stepsister,
Katie." [Twit would call her Kay-Dee]
"...we took advantage of this freedom,
because for some reason the Europeans
seemed to have an affection for young
people, more than they had in the
western countries, particularly at that
time." [Here, PT has without a doubt
connected-the-dots for us by saying
that he was in Europe and not Kentucky]
"We were just a few block away from
Montmartre, where all the famous
artists were living... Edgar Degas was
the last that I knew of, Katie was very
close to him because she was studying
under one of his students." [Was Degas
even living in this year? What a liar!]
"WE met with Sudar Singh who was the
leading advocate of Soul Travel. From
Paris we decided that we would go back
to his little ashram, which was five miles
above ALLAHABAD, on what they call Old
Canteen Road..." [So, from Paris, France
(Kentucky) they went to Allahabad, India!]
"After I had left India, came home, I was
then about sixteen. I had a year or so to
do some work in order to finish my degree."
Note: Klemp gives Paul's birthdate as
Oct. 22, 1908. Thus, if Paul was 16
this was 1924. However, Klemp states
on eckankar.org that at age 27 (1935)
Paul was trying to get into "Who's Who
in Kentucky" by "exaggerating" and
"twisting facts" and that he'd never
traveled outside of the United States
at that time. Therefore, Paul is still,
as the M/LEM, lying about these events
in 1971! And, PT was never in Paris,
France prior to 1965 and never traveled
to India (from Paris) with his sister to
meet Sudar Singh at age 16.
Here's another PT tidbit that tells a lot:
"Now, a lot of the impressions that I first
set out in my first work, I'm having to go
back and redo these things and try to
correct them." [page 135]
Prometheus & All,
Where and when do you suppose the idea
of "The" Living Master first occurred in the
records of history?
Anybody want to hazard a guess about the
How about the country?
Hello Z and All,
I agree that there is only One link
up with the Divine. IMO it's not
through a manmade religion or via
their manmade initiations. It's an
on-going series of private, personal,
and subjective events/experiences
with the Holy Spirit that excludes a
group think/consciousness, although,
we all have commonalities.
No person (Klemp or otherwise) nor
any imaginary "Inner Master" can dole
out real/true initiations (denoting levels
of spiritual consciousness) to others
by saying this or that person deserves
one while another doesn't.
However, one has to understand how
religion works. It's very competitive.
It's almost like buying an insurance
policy. The one that has the best
word of mouth reputation via happy
customers and advertises more, while
having the best value and coverage
for the cost, usually does well until
it defaults due to too many claims
that it can't cover. After a default
or a hesitation on coverage of their
promises (policy) the company
(religion) can come across as an
unsafe investment (scam). Thus,
people will then start to shop
around. However, if you're Self-
insured you don't need to shop
Yes, I too seem to remember Twit
saying that Sat Nam will take over
Soul's guidance upon receiving the
In "The Path of the Masters" (pg. 199,
1977 edition) it states that Sat Nam
is the "Supreme Guru" and in Klemp's
EK Lexicon he states that Sat Nam is
"the lord of ALL ABOVE and below;
the Power, the Light, flowing down
and OUT to ALL CREATION, to CREATE,
GOVERN, and SUSTAIN ALL REGIONS..."
If one is to take this literally it means
that SAT NAM is the one true "Inner
Master" versus the Mahanta! Plus,
many other religions acknowledge
Sat Nam and have written of this
entity in ancient text while PT, on
the other hand, created his "Mahanta"
competitor in 1969.
See, once again we can see how
religions compete with one another
for members. Eckists need to be
willing to stand back and take a
As I said before... buying into a
religion is like buying insurance...
just don't trust that you can collect
on their promises (in this lifetime)
and read the exclusions (fine print).
However, one should remember
that in the Free World one doesn't
need to buy/have a religion. It's
not the law!
Well said Promethius!
But then again as I have said,
there really is only one link up
or one true initiation.
IMO, all other initiations are
EK ankar's way of maintaining
The God Realized state can only
be achieved through diligence
by the chela to establish a one on
one relationship with Divine Source.
Strange though, I seem to remember
reading somewhere in the works
of ECK that after the chela reaches
the 5th world, the Lord Sat Nam
takes over looking after the chela
and his journey into God Consciousness.
I may be wrong, but I do believe
I saw this somewhere in Paul's
Klemp doesn't deliver on any
real promises does he? Why
hasn't Klemp speeded up the
ECK initiations so that the
promise of God-Realization
in This Lifetime can be fulfilled?
Why were the EK initiations
"slowed down" in the first
place? Wasn't HK claiming
the initiations were "slowed
down" because of Darwin's
past involvement with promoting
500 EKists to the 5th before
he was excommunicated? So,
what's been the excuse since
Klemp guided them to become
real/full 5ths? And, DG promoting
these 500 5ths didn't or shouldn't
have affected the 6ths, 7ths,
or 8th initiations! Klemp has
been using this as an excuse
Not to promote for all of these
years! This is subterfuge!
Where's the Master's promise
of "protection" to chelas too?
Instead, the excuse is that it's
a "test" of faith (for H.I.s),
or Karma and maybe a minor
"test" for chelas (lower initiates).
Here's a quote from HK's
"HUKIKAT LOK. The plane
of GOD-REALIZATION where
Soul learns GOD-KNOWLEDGE;
the EIGHTH PLANE. The sound
is of a thousand violins; the
word is Aluk. HIGHEST STATE
SOUL GENERALLY REACHES;
the first realm created that
IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS, SOULS,
and ENTITIES for DWELLING."
Thus, "Souls," "Beings," and
"Entities" "Generally Reach
and Dwell" on this 8th Plane
via the 8th Initiation.
BTW- Who are these "Beings"
and "Entities" that the 8th
Plane is "Available To?"
Notice that HK states that
Soul "Generally Reaches" the
"8th Plane." Does that include
all Souls, or just those paying
that Annual ECKankar Membership
Donation/Fee? it's unclear isn't
it? However, HK's Eckankar Lexicon
doesn't require an EK Membership
I.D. to purchase it... thus, it's
for the public too. One has to
assume that HK is speaking "in
general" terms and that this includes
all Souls, Beings, and Entities
whoever or whatever they are!
Yes, who are these "Beings" and
"Entities" that Klemp is including?
However, since ECKists are special
since they have a "Mahanta" why is
it that they aren't growing by leaps
and bounds with "Higher" Initiations?
Is this a paradox or a Catch-22 or
what? IMO it's another Catch-22
Really! Let's think about it.
Why hasn't Klemp handed
out more 8th Initiations? By
my guesstimate there should
be at least 3,000 8th Initiates
I know that this figure sounds
inflated and even impossible!
Most Eckists would be shocked
to see such a high number and
would immediately discount and
deny that such a high number
would be possible. Maybe some
H.I.s would give a nervous laugh
or just say Haw! But, think about
it for awhile. Let it sink in and
consider the possibility. Hasn't
the Consciousness of ECKists,
and Eckankar as a group, expanded
or "evolved" to the point where
there should be 3,000 8th Plane
Reread the above definition for
HUKIKAT LOK that is, also, in
Twitchell's (1973) Eckankar
Dictionary. Except, in Twitchell's
Eckankar Dictionary PT stated
"HUKIKAT LOK. The plane of
God-Realization where Soul
learns God-knowledge, the
eighth plane." [pg. 62]
Thus Klemp added the following
to PT's HUKIKAT LOK definition
in his 1998 EK Lexicon:
"The sound is of a thousand
violins; the word is Aluk.
HIGHEST STATE SOUL GENERALLY
REACHES; the first realm created
that IS AVAILABLE TO BEINGS,
SOULS, and ENTITIES for DWELLING."
Anyway, isn't one of the big
promises of Eckankar that of
reaching Spiritual Freedom and
Self-Mastery, in This Lifetime,
via the ECK Initiations that are
seen as "yardsticks" to Higher
Consciousness? Sure it is!
So, where are all of those 8th
Initiations? Klemp is just selfish
and time is running out for him
and others. He, or someone, needs
to make restitution and keep those
promises, at least, with the 8th
Initiation which equates to God-
Realization! Even if Klemp can't
protect the health and well being
of his, DG's and PT's initiates
he could at least promote and
give ECKists the 8th Initiation.
If it's too much for Klemp (the
LEM/Mahanta) to handle alone
he can designate some of the
responsibility to Rebazar and
the other EK Masters. Therefore,
there really shouldn't be any more
delays or excuses. Promote them
p.s. It's really too bad that there
can't be an honest and open discussion
about this. ECKists are instructed
to "surrender" and "serve" with
detachment and are to keep "silent"
and not to "second guess" the LEM/
Mahanta. But, isn't this how religions
have always maintained control
over their followers? What does
Klemp have to fear? It's the "Truth"
that he fears and this is why HK
relies upon the RESA police hierarchy,
with their positions of authority,
to surpress their fellow 7th Initiates.
Some European Countries
Protect Their Citizens From
the Cults of ECKankar and
I saw where the French office
of the Church of Scientology
sect got into trouble for fraud.
Is it possible that Eckankar
could be next? Apparently
Eckankar and Scientology
are listed as "sects/cults"
in many European countries
(France, Belgium, Germany,
etc.). These sects, like Scientology
and Eckankar, don't have the
legal status of main stream
religions, nor do they have
the same benefits under their
The question is:
What could be regarded as fraud?
Would the Annual EK Membership
Donation/Fee that promises
via the 8th initiation for most
Eckists in this lifetime, as well
as, the "Protections" of the Master
for all chelas (that never happens)
be considered as Fraud? Klemp
slowed these initiations down
due to Darwin's involvement,
but that's been a long time ago!
Look at all of the ECKists
who have died of or have
contracted Cancer and other
diseases! Yet, Klemp (the
Master) promises them
And, look at HK's "promises"
to chelas and H.I.s involving
God-Realization in this lifetime
and yet he doesn't offer enough
Higher Initiations to fullfil his
promises! And, maintaining
one's initiations is directly tied
into the Annual EK Membership
Thus, the taking of money by
Klemp, and Eckankar, for EK
Discourses and EK Memberships
and the making of False Promises
to chelas for this present lifetime
constitutes Fraud even though
this isn't illegal in the U.S. for
religions to make false promises.
However, it is unethical and
amoral at the very least! It does
give "hope" to the disillusioned,
disenfranchised, fearful, and needy,
but isn't Eckankar supposed to
be the best and highest path to
help these Souls on earth, as well
as, in heaven? Why then aren't the
"promises" of the Master a reality
in the physical instead of always
being a KAL test or Karma?
However, under most European
Laws would this failure to deliver
be considered to be fraudulent
enough to be classified as a crime
against the public? It seems so!
It could be that under the laws
of certain European countries that
Eckankar (a religious Sect) could
be found Guilty of Fraud IF an Eckist,
or former Eckist, decided to be
refunded the sums of their Annual
EK Membership Donation Fees,
and Eckankar denied the refunds.
Maybe some former or current
German, French, and Belgium
Eckists will consider asking Eckankar
for a refund for the sum of their
EK Memberships over the years!
Will Eckankar follow Scientology?
Here's an excerpt of the definition
of Fraud from Black's Law Dictionary
"FRAUD. An intentional perversion
of truth for the purpose of inducing
another in reliance upon it to part
with some valuable thing belonging
to him or to surrender a legal right...
[A Required/Requested Annual
Membership Donation $$$$$$]
Elements of a cause of action for
'fraud' include false representation
of a present or past fact made by
the defendant, action in reliance
thereupon by plaintiff, and damage
resulting to plaintiff from such
misrepresentation... As distinguished
from negligence, it is always
positive, intentional. It comprises
all acts, omissions, and concealments
involving a breach of a legal or
equitable duty and resulting in
damage to another. And includes
anything calculated to deceive,
whether it be a single act or
combination of circumstances...
Fraud, as applied to contracts,
is the cause of an error bearing
on a material part of the contract,
created or contained by artifice,
with design to obtain some unjust
advantage to one party, or to cause
an inconvenience or loss to the other."
Thus, Eckankar has conducted a
fraud of misrepresentation since
it doesn't deliver on the Higher
Initiations ["omissions"] required
to attain God-Realization! [Refer
to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book
2, Chapter 12.]
Klemp, as the LEM/M, has an implied
"contract" with his followers, but
he only makes empty promises
and does not fulfill his obligations,
and yet he's ready and willing to take
Eckists' hard earned money!
And, let's look at Eckankar's
"concealment" regarding Twitchell's
plagiarisms, and that Klemp continues
to cover-up these facts.
Thus, Eckankar, and all religions,
sects, and cults (unless proven to be
guilty of higher crimes) basically have
carte blanche,' in the U.S., and can
make false promises for money.
What a scam! Eckists have been paying
for their initiations for years but have
been locked-out of those required for
It's no wonder that Twit followed L. Ron's
lead. However, in Belgium, France and
Germany these cults and sects don't
have the same protection as "religions"
do. This is what the U.S. should have
done 50 years ago!
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