4999Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: A Book of Circular Thinking?
- Oct 12, 2009You're right. Maybe Rebazar died and Harold was afraid to talk about it.After all, he still hasn't mentioned the death of the 972nd Mahanta!
--- On Mon, 10/12/09, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: A Book of Circular Thinking?
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:42 PMHello All,
In the Catholic Church there
are all types within the "spiritual
hierarchy" that can intercede
with God on the behalf of man.
Twitchell and Klemp merely
copied this as well and added
EK Masters and a Mahanta!
http://www.catholic .org/encyclopedi a/view.php? id=6146
The thing about doing research
on eCkankar is that Twitchell's
version (with "c" added) along
with Rebazar Tarzs didn't exist
more than 50 years ago!
This No Contact is strange
(not really) since Rebazar has
been around for 500 years, in
the same physical body, and
even sailed with Columbus
(according to Klemp)!
Yet, there is nothing, anywhere,
mentioning REBAZAR (the
Torchbearer) by name nor
is there anything written by
RT (in his own hand) for 500
And, since Rebazar does
(supposedly) have a 500
year old physical body why
didn't he show up before and
after Twit died versus Gail
having to use a dream from
Paul to elect Darwin as LEM?
Why hasn't RT shown up at
an EK Seminar in all of these
years and given a talk? Is he
too good for that?
If Klemp, Rebazar's Mahanta,
isn't too good or too "high"
to give a Seminar talk why
can't Rebazar appear and
give one too? He is a physical
being, still! Thus, RT should
be expected to show up every
now and then. But... he hasn't
ever shown up! Maybe Rebazar's
dead and Klemp hasn't mentioned
it because he pissed HK off by
never showing up at an EK Seminar!
The intercession part is the
part I really don't understand!
Because of "Key To Secret Worlds"
and the previously published short
articles found in "In My Soul I Am
Free," I was at odds with my
Presbyterian minister while taking
confirmation classes (not my idea,
of course, but my parents' idea of
a good time) over this very point.
I got the highest grades on everything,
even higher than the minister's son,
but the minister was always trying
to convince me, and wrote stuff in
the margins of my essays, that
intercession with "Jesus Christ" was
necessary in order to have any kind
of relationship with Spirit.
And I agree with you about everything
else you just said. Was Paul paying
Rebazar $160.00 a year?
How much did Rebazar pay Fubbi Quantz?
And so forth all the way back to Gakko?
It's funny that you mention connecting
That is when I began to discover the
books we weren't supposed to know
about. In the nineties I was trying to
connect the dots, to trace the "history"
of "Eckankar" all the way back to at
least 5,000 years B.C.
And by doing so, I was also researching
"EK" and "HU" throughout history.
Not exactly exclusive to "Eckankar."
I think it is just a big psychological
circus that takes place, say, for an
example, at a major seminar. People
get all psychologically open to auto-
If things go well, it is because of Harold.
If not, it is because the chela has not
been doing his or her "homework."
Or they are being "tested" by the Kal.
Or they are being "tested" by the ECK.
Harold can dish it out both ways.
And eat the cake himself.
Again, just like with most religions,
people stay with "Eckankar" out of
fear, not just fear of the "consequences" ,
but fear of the unknown - something
they are supposed to be conquering
BECAUSE of Eckankar!
They can't because they are clinging
to the known world. Their little world
of "Super Normal" people.
With alot of these people, most or
all of their "friends" are in Eckankar.
What would they think? And the
idea of letting others "below" or
"beneath" them passing them up
in "initiations" !
What could be worse than that?
Or being "demoted" as a person
in any way?
They give all their power to the
They are powerless to help themselves.
Not really, of course, but it is psychological.
Whatever happened to power,
wisdom and freedom?
The answer, my friend, is blowing
in the wind.
But you knew that!
Thanks for sharing your
comments and the info
about these books!
As far as "transcending
religion" it seems that this
is what we thought we were
doing when we joined the
"path" of Eckankar way back
Early on, Eckankar seemed
to have a certain mystique
about it. The reality, now,
is that it was never what we
imagined or desired. This
PT/HK consciousness is based
upon delusions, lies, and
in time as meaningless and
imagined experiences and
dreams via Klemp's over-
simplified and mind numbing
hypnotic message. This is
the "real" reason people fall
asleep during his talks! And,
there's No spiritual meat
The Eckankar message is
merely a redundancy and
regurgitation of empty 2nd
and 4th Plane thoughts and
PT's Eckankar is a New Age/
Westernized rewrite of the
Eastern thoughts and dogmas
once borrowed and plagiarized
(compiled) from Sant Mat
religions (etc.), and from
enlightened people by
the trickster Twitchell.
HK's EK "path" has not only
become Christianized, but
has also been exposed as
just another "Feel Good"
religious sect that preaches
one thing and does another!
It's a Codependent scam!
Thus, the Klemps' egos
are feeling pretty good
right now and the "trickle-
down effect" is still sustaining
their EK followers/sheep/
chickens in the same ways
as other religions work their
magic on the numb, dumb,
fearful, and superstitious
Still, for Eckists who think
they can see beyond the
veil/void it's amazing to
see that they are quite
incapable of true change
and of discovering the
real path of TRUTH, and
of experiencing the art
of the obvious.
Truth has escaped these
Eckists and they will forever
remain a pawn of the KAL
and under Klemp's trance
of providing "sales service."
This, of course, benefits HK's
selfish motives, and, on the
other hand, it helps to give
Eckists a "higher" purpose.
This is why Klemp feels he
is doing no harm since it
provides of service for lost
Souls until they become advanced
enough to realize they don't
need a middleman.
However, the "catch" lies
within the promises made
and the innate desire of
soul to "Know" God and to
return Home again. Eckankar
manipulates this desire with
"initiations" that are turned
into a KAL "Trap/Test."
However, Not Desiring Initiations
(via a pure heart) is another
trap/test that has merely been
disguised while the "desire"
remains hidden from outer
sight. Thus, it seems to be
okay to "imagine" (and still
desire) higher initiations on
the "INNER" via the ruse of
needing a Mahanta for more
and more of these fake initiations
in order to expand consciousness
for more and more spiritual
Eckists are chasing their tails
via Twitchell's and Klemp's
rendition of circular logic and
thinking. How can Self-Mastery
and Spiritual Freedom be accomplished
in THIS LIFETIME when Klemp
is training Eckists to become
more and more Codependent
upon the Mahanta and their
desires and attachments?
Look at the ECK stories... they
all require the intercession and
help of the Mahanta. Eckists,
via self-hypnosis and programming,
(attachment) are being taught
to call upon the Mahanta for
anything and everything.. . but
where is Soul and where is the
ECK (Holy Spirit)? Just because
one mouthes certain "charged"
4th Plane words or thinks he/
she is "detached" doesn't make
What's interesting is that these
two Entities (Soul and Holy Spirit)
don't require money in order
to maintain (outer and Inner
initiations) a higher consciousness. ..
but Klemp does! Initiations aren't
needed! This is what structured
(Lower Plane) Hierarchies use in
order to control groups of people.
I'm amazed that Eckists can't or
don't want to see the correlation
and connect-the- dots.
Why can't or won't Eckists connect-
the-dots? It probably has to do
with their feelings of being "Superior
Normal" and the delusion that
gives them "all the answers" in
order to alleviate their doubts
and fears. The ego makes a better
servant than it does a master,
but with "initiations" and a "RESA
hierarchy" Eckists can't separate
ego from Soul.
Thus, when "Starting To Get It"
(a 6th, ESA, Staffer at the ESC)
writes what she did, in the 09/2009
H.I. Letter, one has to wonder...
What has Klemp been teaching
his followers since he's been
So true. I really enjoyed your
I used to do that sort of stuff
until it became more sad than
Also, a while back, I forgot
to mention the books of
Alan Watts, starting with
"The Way of Zen" and
"The Wisdom of Insecurity".
The second title, of course,
is a paradox, but one that
makes sense without having
to go too far into the book
to see what he is talking about.
One doesn't have to be necessarily
into Zen or even Buddhism to
understand where he was coming
His books are very easy to read
and are somewhat humorous.
Interestingly, he obtained
a master's degree in theology
and "divinity" but went on to
write twenty to thirty books
on Zen and Indian and Chinese
philosophies, and the psychology
of religion, and the importance
of mysticism insofar as the
individual transcending man-
Truth can never by systemized,
no matter how eloquently.
Rebazar Tarzs wrote:
In the story, Joseph Knecht,
after following instructions
to the letter, but not losing
his intuition, begins to question
everything, and comes to
see "Castilia" (or, insert your
favorite or not-so-favorite
community Utopia) as a kind
of ivory tower, oblivious to
real life, and thus, reality.
He begins to realize that,
after many years, and many
relationships, Castilia is a
self-protected society that
does little, if anything, for
the world outside its borders,
and is burderned by a hierarchy
of personalities and games
I won't reveal any more than
this, in case someone is
currently reading "Magister
Ludi: The Glass Bead Game,"
but I will say this - throughout
the whole story, Bruce Willis
No, actually, the truth seeker,
Knecht (which, in German,
means servant and/or knight)
(or so the Germans would have
us believe) is, to the dumb-
foundment of his "superiors",
really looking for truth.
I hope I didn't give away too
much, as the book is almost
600 pages long, but, actually,
I haven't, because there is
so much truth in the story
that everytime I re-read it,
I realize something new.
I know we used to say that
about certain ECK books
(before Harold) but the
stuff that Paul took from
others is timeless as well.
What was kind of amusing
is that when I read the book
the first time, Darwin was
One of the first main characters
in the story is the "Music Master."
Here's a review from Amazon.com
of Magister Ludi, Master of the Game:
"What is the Glass Bead Game?
It is no less than the highest
reason that an entire future
civilization exists. It is the
grand and ongoing synthesis
of all knowledge into a unified,
integrated whole (a Unio Mystica.)
It is an attempt to forge a
holographic intellectual world
where all is interconnected and
reflected in every part. This is
a mission to weave the golden
thread of significance and meaning
through every part of a culture-
science and the arts and the
spiritual are all unified into a
system of concentric, interpenetrating
All this is primarily accomplished
by using the language of music
and mathematics as common
universal symbolism (the "glass
beads" are part of a symbolic
physical aid that was once used
for this purpose.)
It is no wonder that the book
places the first origins of the
game with Pythagoras, Gnostics,
and Socratic ethics. No wonder
that the League of Journeyers
to the East also figure prominently
in its development. To some
extent the Game has been the
goal of all sensitive and introspective
individuals and groups down
through the ages.
All of this stands in stark contrast
to our own Feuilletonistic Age
where all knowledge, all culture,
is unsynthesized, chaotic, and
largely meaningless babble.
The crisis that develops from
this is that even if you accomplish
this grand synthesis in some isolated
ivory tower refuge of intellectual
contemplatives- it isn't enough.
It is necessary to reach out to the
entire society once it is achieved
in the same way that a Bodhisattva
attempts to enlighten the rest of
mankind instead of individually
passing onto Nirvana. The entire
society must be made whole and
sacred and not just an isolated elite.
This is the realization that comes
even to the Magister Ludi, the
Master of the Game.
For the game to be ultimately
meaningful we have to coach
everyone to eventually become
************ ********* ********* ****
Thus, another reason to justify religion!
Or, can this same thing (i.e. the inflow/
outflow principle) be accomplished without
the religious strings attached? Not by
Eckankar! ECKists have strings attached
to their membership donations or else
they can lose initiations!
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