4917The EK Initiation Quagmire - More Service Required For Higher H.I.s
- Sep 13, 2009Hello Moby and All,
Yes, every Eckist pretty much knows,
or tries to find out, the initiation circle
(level/number) of each Eckist they come
in contact with.
There used to be Circles of Initiation
Workshops at major EK Seminars (mid
1980's) and these "Circles" Workshops
were, also, encouraged for the RESAs
to promote for Local EK Satsang (Chela)
Events. Every level/circle of initiate had
their own workshop to attend and I.D.s
were checked at the door of each workshop.
Now, Klemp has creatively "changed"
The following is from the 09/2009
The H.I. Letter (pg. 3)--
"Worldwide Wind of Creativity
In tune with the upcoming spiritual
year, A Year of Creativity, you will find
a fresh, new program awaiting High
Initiates at the 2009 ECK Worldwide
* an H.I. meeting Saturday morning
that has a new look and heightened
* a special workshop for H.I.'s, offered
both Friday and Saturday, centered on
Sri Harold's HOLY FIRE of ECK Books--
especially the latest volume, The Holy
Fire of ECK, Book 3--with ample time
to share insights with fellow Brothers
of the Leaf.
[Klemp gets to sell more-of-the-same
(book 3) and makes 50% royalties from
his books while he lets H.I.s "share"
more-of-the-same as well!]
* updated trainings--offered Only at
Worldwide Seminars--for ECK Clerics,
Initiators, and ESAs.
[This helps to increase the seminar
numbers ($$$) with the financial
burden placed mostly upon the H.I.s
who want that training in order to
qualify for that next initiation. 5ths
have to become "Clerics" to become
eligible to become "Initiators," and 6ths,
in order to become "ESAs" in order
to become eligible for the 7th! Some
6ths (who are ESAs) get their 7ths by
becoming RESAs since RESAs have to
be at least a 7th.]
With these new areas of emphasis, the
H.I. GET-TOGETHER, SEVENTH Initiates
Meeting, and EIGHTH Initiate Meeting
are being Retired.
[All H.I.s now have to rub shoulders
and share EK speak with lower initiates
as a means of SERVICE. Will HK and JK
be rubbing shoulders and "connecting,"
too, for the sake of SERVICE to "fellow
Attendees," or is this just more lip SERVICE
and DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO for
the Klemps? ]
These changes will offer you New
Spiritual Vistas and Opportunities
to Connect with Fellow Attendees
[1th-8th Circle Initiates] and Grow
through SERVICE at the Seminar and
as Leaders in our Creative and Vibrant
ECK spiritual community." [END (my
brackets and caps)]
Anyway, Moby, I'll see if I can answer
your questions below--
I enjoyed this post, prometheus.
To my mind, "initiations" are one
of the keys to understanding the
eck mentality. I personally believe
that klemp requires the last stage
in the 9th initiation to be OUTER
because this gives the corp more
control. This gives the corp absolute
control over the very few who will
get beyond the 9th.
I know, and saw for myself, that
eck initiation levels WERE NOT
kept hidden in eck communities.
Believe me, everybody knew everybody's
number, and each person was treated/
respect accordingly. Oh yes, low level
initiates were treated kindly, but it
was a condescending kindness. Like,
I'm so far above you - ain't I swell
to be talking to you at all?
Higher Initiates are held in regard
inside the eckankar world. I saw it
myself. But here are my two questions
for prometheus, or anyone:
#1 When a person gets up to the
5th initiation (or beyond), how do
they explain to themselves that
they're really no different than they
P- People rationalize much of the
time, and Klemp encourages his
followers to imagine and to pretend
"as if." Besides, look at the followers
of other religions and how they follow
and interpret dogma and rationalize
as well. People, also, tend to follow
local religious or spiritual experts
they have placed trust in, or have
put upon a pedestal, because they
have direct contact with them versus
the "Leader." A local Satsang area
can look like a separate sect of that
same religion depending upon the
RESA. Over decades more dogma, rules,
guidelines, and laws get added and
"tweaked" which makes everything,
Eckankar, more complex and more
confusing. This causes Second Guessing
and Imbalance and a NEED to have the
Leader (HK) explain and reinterpret
(over and over) the true meaning behind
life and the confusion (of dogma) HK,
himself, has revised and promoted.
Thus, this Catch-22 ploy, of Klemp's,
has created a necessary evil and a
never-ending need for a "Living Master"
in order for him to de-cypher and
clarify the obvious.
Have you ever seen any indication
that high initiation levels confers
any greater awareness, etc upon
P- Not per se! However, if a person
is focused upon self-improvement
and upon spiritual growth these goals
will be achieved, in part and over time,
with or without the help of a "Master,"
or a religion to follow. The so-called
"Master" just takes credit for what happens
naturally when Soul is focused upon
the Divine. This is the TRAP and the
Catch-22 of all religious dogma.
#2 Do eckists believe that higher
initiate levels correspond to any
improvement in their outer circumstances?
P- Yes and No! Klemp takes credit for
the "Good" that takes place in the lives
of his followers. However, "true blue"
Eckists Do Not want "good karma" because
this too will hinder their spiritual growth.
They want to be "above" and "without"
karma in a vairag (nonattached/detached)
state of mind. Yet, they don't want pain
or troubles either. And, when there are
problems they see these as "tests." NO
where does Klemp, actually, Protect or
Heal his chelas, except in chela's dreams
and/or imaginations (and delusions),
anymore than Jesus or the Virgin Mary,
etc. etc do for other religious believers!
Getting back to your question-- Many Eckists
believe they have used up their "good karma,"
for this lifetime, by finding Eckankar and, thus,
don't expect prosperity. Most, therefore, have
a poverty consciousness and a fatalistic attitude
toward life. Eckists, also, have become very
codependent upon Klemp and believe in his
delusional promises. It's "The Easy Way,"
for them, to accept a subservient position
as a "follower" rather than take responsibility
as SOUL. Thus, Eckists are no different from
other faithful religious followers, except, in
Do they believe that their lives become
better in any worldly/material kinda way?
P- They [Eckists] believe it by rationalizing.
Success and materialism can be justified
as a "divine gift" in order to reach a different
social and/or intellectual group/class of people
so that they can spread the "Word" as a vahana/
missionary by being an example or a spokes-
person... or as (temporary) good karma. And,
their material/intellectual success is used by
Klemp to attract more professionals to Eckankar.
This gives HK's big fat ego an air of respectability
(HK is in the International Who's Who of Intellectuals,
Ninth edition). And, this, too, is used to prove/
show that Eckankar is not a "dangerous" cult.
Professionals, also, climb the initiation ladder
faster than the average Eckist because they
are more high profile, but appearances are
very deceiving in this KAL like religion.
> In Eckankar the First initiation is said
> to, usually, come in The Dream State
> by the end of the first year and the
> Second initiation is a year later or after
> two years of study. An Eckist has to ask
> for the Second Initiation, but is forbidden
> to ask for any others!
> When do the other initiations come ?
> How many are there ? These are just
> two questions Eckankar avoids answering.
> Here's what Klemp's EK Lexicon took
> from Twitchell's Eckankar Dictionary:
> "INITIATION. The Basic sacrament in ECK;
> the First Step on the Path of God via the
> ECK; the structure upon the Whole Foundation
> of the Spiritual Works are built; the Means
> by which the Sacred Forces within the Individual
> are Reactivated to Increase and Confer within
> Soul the Awareness of the Supernatural state
> of Life." [pg. 95]
> It's interesting that PT mentions the "ECK"
> and "Sacred Forces" and the "Individual" and
> "Soul" while Not mentioning anything about
> the Inner Master or the Mahanta!
> "INNER INITIATION. Serves the function
> of Raising the Vibrations of the individual
> to those of the Nearest Higher Plane. THE
> INNER INITIATION MAY COME YEARS BEFORE
> THE OUTER INITIATION..."
> It's wishful thinking that many 7ths see
> themselves as 8ths (on the inner). What
> else do they have? You can't blame them
> for pretending "as if" they actually were
> 8th initiates after 35-40 years!
> "...The FIRST Initiation is an Inner Initiation
> given in the Dream State by the Dream Master.
> Sometimes a Chela is Fully Conscious and
> can remember everything about it; it prepares
> the Chela for the Linkup with the ECK Sound
> Current, the Audible Life Stream. ALL INITIATIONS
> ABOVE THE EIGHTH ARE INNER INITIATIONS."
> [pg. 96]
> BTW, this last statement (above) was added
> to PT's definition by Klemp (compare it for
> yourself). This is very strange since this EK
> Lexicon was written in 1998 and The Masters
> 4 Discourses, Lesson 2 was written in 1995.
> In Lesson 2 Klemp states that the 9th initiation
> has 3 Stages and the Third and Last Stage
> is The OUTER Confirmation!
> Thus, Klemp has contradicted himself by
> saying that, "All initiations above the eighth
> are inner initiations" when the Third and Final
> Stage, of the 9th initiation, requires an "outer
> However, there's even more confusion and
> secrecy concerning initiations within Eckankar
> as there is with other religions and groups.
> The secrecy is meant to silence people (chelas)
> from scrutinizing this phenomena and these
> definitions and criteria more so. Actually,
> Eckankar gives NO criteria for obtaining
> initiations. Except, a chela must maintain
> a current annual membership donation
> Thus, a Requested annual donation amount
> is Required for more EK initiations, and to
> hold onto positions within the RESA Hierarchy.
> What's interesting is that the 12th Initiation
> is actually both Outer and Inner because
> the LEM must physically approach and ask
> a candidate if they would like to have the
> initiation because it, too, requires outer
> However, the 10th and the 11th Initiations
> don't require any outer confirmations and
> are (both) shorter in time that the First Initiation!
> Why's that... convenience?
> Then, of course, it requires an initiator who
> has a Higher Initiation Number than the one
> being given! Thus, Darwin had to be a 13th
> or 14th to have given Klemp his 12th!
> And, what level of initiation is Klemp claiming
> to have at this time? The 14th is required
> to be a Mahanta (as PT claims), but there
> are, supposedly, more and more initiations.
> So, what Initiation is Klemp holding onto
> now (with a death grip)? Why is this such
> a secret? Could it be that HK's a 666th Initiate
> while most of his longtime H.I.s are 7ths!
> BTW- Who was the 666th LEM? HK doesn't
> even know how Shams died or who that
> "Unknown" EK Master was! Why's that?
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