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4915Re: The EK Initiation Quagmire

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  • whitemoby22
    Sep 12, 2009
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      I enjoyed this post, prometheus. To my mind, "initiations" are one of the keys to understanding the eck mentality. I personally believe that klemp requires the last stage in the 9th initiation to be OUTER because this gives the corp more control. This gives the corp absolute control over the very few who will get beyond the 9th.

      I know, and saw for myself, that eck initiation levels WERE NOT kept hidden in eck communities. Believe me, everybody knew everybody's number, and each person was treated/respect accordingly. Oh yes, low level initiates were treated kindly, but it was a condescending kindness. Like, I'm so far above you - ain't I swell to be talkig to you at all?

      Higher Initiates are held in regard inside the eckankar world. I saw it myself. But here are my two questions for prometheus, or anyone:

      #1 When a person gets up to the 5th initiation (or beyond), how do they explain to themselves that they're really no different than they ever were? Have you ever seen any indication that high initiation levels confers any greater awareness, etc upon the initiate?

      #2 Do eckists believe that higher initiate levels correspond to any improvement in their outer circumstances? Do they believe that their lives become better in any worldly/material kinda way?

      Thanks, moby...

      In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      > In Eckankar the First initiation is said
      > to, usually, come in The Dream State
      > by the end of the first year and the
      > Second initiation is a year later or after
      > two years of study. An Eckist has to ask
      > for the Second Initiation, but is forbidden
      > to ask for any others!
      > When do the other initiations come ?
      > How many are there ? These are just
      > two questions Eckankar avoids answering.
      > Here's what Klemp's EK Lexicon took
      > from Twitchell's Eckankar Dictionary:
      > "INITIATION. The Basic sacrament in ECK;
      > the First Step on the Path of God via the
      > ECK; the structure upon the Whole Foundation
      > of the Spiritual Works are built; the Means
      > by which the Sacred Forces within the Individual
      > are Reactivated to Increase and Confer within
      > Soul the Awareness of the Supernatural state
      > of Life." [pg. 95]
      > It's interesting that PT mentions the "ECK"
      > and "Sacred Forces" and the "Individual" and
      > "Soul" while Not mentioning anything about
      > the Inner Master or the Mahanta!
      > "INNER INITIATION. Serves the function
      > of Raising the Vibrations of the individual
      > to those of the Nearest Higher Plane. THE
      > It's wishful thinking that many 7ths see
      > themselves as 8ths (on the inner). What
      > else do they have? You can't blame them
      > for pretending "as if" they actually were
      > 8th initiates after 35-40 years!
      > "...The FIRST Initiation is an Inner Initiation
      > given in the Dream State by the Dream Master.
      > Sometimes a Chela is Fully Conscious and
      > can remember everything about it; it prepares
      > the Chela for the Linkup with the ECK Sound
      > Current, the Audible Life Stream. ALL INITIATIONS
      > [pg. 96]
      > BTW, this last statement (above) was added
      > to PT's definition by Klemp (compare it for
      > yourself). This is very strange since this EK
      > Lexicon was written in 1998 and The Masters
      > 4 Discourses, Lesson 2 was written in 1995.
      > In Lesson 2 Klemp states that the 9th initiation
      > has 3 Stages and the Third and Last Stage
      > is The OUTER Confirmation!
      > Thus, Klemp has contradicted himself by
      > saying that, "All initiations above the eighth
      > are inner initiations" when the Third and Final
      > Stage, of the 9th initiation, requires an "outer
      > confirmation."
      > However, there's even more confusion and
      > secrecy concerning initiations within Eckankar
      > as there is with other religions and groups.
      > The secrecy is meant to silence people (chelas)
      > from scrutinizing this phenomena and these
      > definitions and criteria more so. Actually,
      > Eckankar gives NO criteria for obtaining
      > initiations. Except, a chela must maintain
      > a current annual membership donation
      > ($$$).
      > Thus, a Requested annual donation amount
      > is Required for more EK initiations, and to
      > hold onto positions within the RESA Hierarchy.
      > What's interesting is that the 12th Initiation
      > is actually both Outer and Inner because
      > the LEM must physically approach and ask
      > a candidate if they would like to have the
      > initiation because it, too, requires outer
      > confirmation.
      > However, the 10th and the 11th Initiations
      > don't require any outer confirmations and
      > are (both) shorter in time that the First Initiation!
      > Why's that... convenience?
      > Then, of course, it requires an initiator who
      > has a Higher Initiation Number than the one
      > being given! Thus, Darwin had to be a 13th
      > or 14th to have given Klemp his 12th!
      > And, what level of initiation is Klemp claiming
      > to have at this time? The 14th is required
      > to be a Mahanta (as PT claims), but there
      > are, supposedly, more and more initiations.
      > So, what Initiation is Klemp holding onto
      > now (with a death grip)? Why is this such
      > a secret? Could it be that HK's a 666th Initiate
      > while most of his longtime H.I.s are 7ths!
      > BTW- Who was the 666th LEM? HK doesn't
      > even know how Shams died or who that
      > "Unknown" EK Master was! Why's that?
      > Prometheus
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