4909Re: HK Tries to Sell a "New" Workbook for a 14 Year Old Discourse!
- Sep 10, 2009Hello All,
I thought I'd bring this back
for another look... also, I had
Why doesn't Klemp mention the
other initiations, beyond the 2nd,
and the time and requirements for
them in the Membership info on
Eckankar.org? Shouldn't HK be
more forthcoming and let these
people know more details of
such an important feature of
Here are my comments to HK's
workbook promo. First, a review
of the EK Lexicon with this law-
"Law of Facsimiles:
The sixth law of the Physical
Universe, that All Effects in life
are brought about by the Thoughts
and Pictures in the Mind of the
BTW- According to ECKankar
dogma the KAL (Satan) rules
the Physical Universe and
the Universal Mind Power!
09/2009 The H.I. Letter (pg. 4)
Always With You --
"I just completed Workbook for
the Master 4 Discourses. It was
filled with so many experiences
and little Miracles."
ME: Lesson 3 covers the 9th
Initiation and states that there
are Three Stages to an Initiation
and that the Final Stage is the
BTW- Instead of reading/believing
in other people's subjective
"miracles" why not believe in your
own? Otherwise, this is a misdirection
(KAL trap) that works via the Law
"One morning I wanted to wear
my ECK medallion [charm], feeling
I needed this reminder of the Master's
Presence and Protection to help
me Cope with Work--and Life.
I looked everywhere BUT couldn't
ME: Eckankar sells this copyrighted
jewelry for the same reasons that
other religions do. [How about those
cleric pins too?] It's to make money
and to make people feel better by
wearing superstitious charms.
Having an EK styled "reminder" of
"protection" and "presence" is just
another religious marketing scheme.
"On my way to work, I kept my
Attention on the Master and listened
to ECK tapes, still wondering about
the medallion [charm]."
ME: I know of an H.I. that was playing
a tape of one of Klemp's talks while
driving to an EK event and had a car
runa red light and T-Bone her! Where
was HK's "protection?" I'm certain that
HIRO never got printed or shared...
and if it had Klemp would have spun
it into another "test!"
"A few days later, in the parking lot
near my job, I felt overburdened by
the day to come. As I walked to the
booth to pay, I noticed a shining object
on the ground. As I reached for it,
I saw an angel on one side. When
I flipped it over, I saw the words
'Always with You.'"
ME: Why did she feel "overburdened
by the day to come," and the future?
Eckists are to live in the present!
Where was Klemp's (the Inner Master's)
"protection" and, "presence?" Isn't
Soul a "happy entity?" And, why didn't
she just leave the "shining object"
"What a direct, clear message of
reassurance from the Mahanta:
With or Without the medallion,
know that I am always with you."
ME: The message "Always With
You" was from the 4th Plane God...
the KAL! This was the con of the
religion that the shining object/
charm (with the angel) was associated
"A few days later, Harji, as I was
using the workbook, I listened
to Audio Excerpt 12 and heard
you say, "'Walk with Me, Mahanta'
means that you have this Inner
part of the Master with you at
all times." You go on to talk about
how someone in the midst of
daily stresses may forget this."
ME: The 'Walk With Me Mahanta'
is a hypnotic suggestion and
a form of programming in
order to have Eckists become
even more reliant and codependent
upon Klemp (the Inner Master/
Mahanta). Self-Reliancy and Self-
Mastery is being discouraged!
"He [the Eckist] thinks IF he just
sings HU, the Mahanta will come;
so the person [Eckist] sings HU
and suddenly becomes Aware
[consciously] of the Presence of
ME: Isn't this, also, the purpose
of those EK medallions/charms...
with the "HU" on one side and the
"ECK" on the other side! They are
physical reminders... that help
to reenforce the programming!
Thus, Black (lower plane) Magic!
"BUT the person [ECKist] doesn't
realize the Mahanta was always
there. In the talk, you explain
when we sing HU, we open our
consciousness to recognize
the presence of the Master. And
then you say, 'The Inner Master
is always with you. He is ALWAYS
ME: Of course! This is a basic
tenant of Klemp's Eckankar where
he takes the place of the ECK
and takes all credit from the ECK!
I'm amazed that it took this H.I.
22 years for this brain-washing
to sink in. This was the real "miracle!"
Klemp is known for signing off
by saying, "I am Always With You"
and this H.I. finally saw what he
meant... while still clueless to
HK's real intent... to promote
"What MAGIC to hear guidance like
this in the wake of my own recent
ME: "MAGIC. The producing of
phenomena or controlling of
events by the use of charms
or rituals; part of the Universal
Mind Power, the KAL Force, it
brings upon the practitioner
the Effect, or Karma." [EK Lexicon,
Actually, when people seek out
"signs" they will find them everywhere!
It's a, rather, common schizophrenic
"All the discourse/workbook study
is like that.
It's a constant Dance from the Inner
to the Outer, with No separation.
In my twenty-two years in Eckankar,
I have never experienced anything
quite like this."
--Jocelyne, Quebec, Canada
ME: The two fold purpose for Klemp
having this glowing testimonial
printed is to have H.I.s purchase
the Workbook for the Masters 4
Discourses... and to create/reenforce
This H.I.'s fertile imagination treated
this "as if" it was a spiritual event.
This is especially true for newer H.I.s
and the more naive, as well as, those
who still need to desperately believe
in anything/anyone leaps and bounds
"higher." These H.I.s have poor self
esteem and doubts, thus, they need
to feel special by closing their eyes
Klemp (the OUTER/INNER MAN/GOD/
POPE) has words that (mentally and
emotionally) soothes the self-doubts
of his chelas (temporarily) just as other
religions, and their leaders, do. It's
a mind-game that they all play to
trick the unsuspecting/trusting masses.
Religions, and ECKankar is a Religion,
are KAL TRAPS... and a TEST for Soul!
When Soul Awakens and learns to stand,
run, fly, dream, create, and exist on
It's own, without religious crutches,
this is the beginning phase of True
Mastership! Soul learns from Itself
and the Holy Spirit.
In TRUTH... SOUL and the HOLY SPIRIT
are/become One and is all One needs.
It IS and Always With You. No Mahanta
is needed! This is the Real Miracle that
many former Eckists, and former religionists,
have learned via experience!
Unfortunately, some card carrying Eckists
have had to hide this from the EK society
due to family ties and/or job concerns at
the ESC. They maintain their memberships
and go through the motions and put on a
happy face and with an "act." In truth, they
have left Klemp and codependence behind.
They've taken that next step in the spiritual
evolution of Soul. Thus, they (as Soul) pick
and choose what helps them to see, experience,
and know Truth from various, 360 degree
and beyond, sources without the dependence
upon a middleman (HK). Still, it's sad that
Eckists have to do this, but at least they're
BTW- People have "fooled" the religious
conmen for centuries. For example, in Germany
there is a pasta dish, Maultaschen (a Swabian
ravioli), with meat smuggled inside. This was
started as a culinary trick used by Catholics
to eat meat when it wasn't permitted. And,
I know of current H.I.s that by-pass Klemp's
"Guidelines" whenever they get the chance.
Let's face it... Hierarchies are KAL's invention!
p.s. The Masters 4 Discourses is
the last of 17 Discourses and was
written in 1995... 14 years ago.
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