4905Re: The H.I. Letter 09/2009 by Rev. Harold Klemp
- Sep 10, 2009This story about picking up money is troubling. I would love to read that article. I have access to the regular newsletter, but not to the H.I. Letter. Are the H.I. Letters sent only to HIs?
In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "postekcon" <postekcon@...> wrote:
> Picking Up Money from the Street 'Will Make You Sick'
> Excerpt, H.I. Letter 09/2009
> One day, he [HK follower] was sick. He felt an urge to ask God the
> reason for his sickness, his fever.
> In a dream, he was out walking, when he came upon some money. He bent
> down and picked it up. Just then, a madman [aka 'inner master'] ran
> towards him shouting, "Don't you know that it is the money you pick up
> that makes you sick? Drop it, or you'll be sick again!"
> The dreamer dropped the money. When he remembered the dream later, it
> became very clear that picking up another's property was the cause of
> his recurrent illnesses. He stopped the practice.
> In the above story HK explains how when an individual picks up an object
> that was once owned or handled by another person, it is 'bad karma'!
> Usually 'bad karma' is when a spiritual principle has been broken
> [either knowingly or unknowingly].
> The followers of HK have a major dilemma here, as HK fails to clarify
> what spiritual law they've violated should they pick up an object from
> the street. And since HK gives them no parameters whatsoever, paranoia
> and confusion will follow. So in trying to apply this 'new' ruling, will
> it also mean it is 'bad karma' for them to:
> - pick a wild flower or pebble from the beach [these will always be
> owned by someone, somewhere]
> - touch any object that was once owned or used by another person
> - breathe-in even, lest some of this air might contain expelled air from
> - and what if the object was gathered by an animal [they're recognized
> as soul too]
> - and is the karmic debt to the last handler of the property, or last
> - and how do they teach their children now about 'karma' etc?
> In any case, money itself is never owned, it is only a currency [method
> of barter], a promissory 'note'.
> Written upon the US dollar bill are these words:
> THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
> [perhaps the founding fathers intended to include karmic debt as well!
> It isn't necessary to elaborate any further on the paranoia and lack of
> understanding of the laws of the universe and laws of the land, HK
> demonstrates in his writings.
> CAUSE AND EFFECT
> Newton's Law of Motion: 'To every action there is an equal and opposite
> reaction'. Commonly known as 'cause and effect', this principle seems to
> give credibility to the concept of 'karma'. However, in some circles of
> science [atomic], Newton's law of motion is shown to be false.
> In the world of the 'atom', it's been scientifically proven that the
> packets or particles of energy which comprise the atom, DO NOT follow
> the principle of cause and effect, but instead follow randomity. So at
> atomic level, the principle of 'to every action there is an equal and
> opposite reaction' is incorrect.
> Consequently, this makes the case for karma wrong, for 'cause and
> effect' is not the way the universe works at all at its creative core or
> spiritual principle.
> So why then at present, is HK so hung-up on karma, rather than on
> fostering true creativity and randomity in his followers? It is because
> instilling fear is so effective as a control mechanism tool. The 'money'
> story [above] is a typical example of how HK uses auto-suggestion to
> consolidate habits of introversion in his followers. He instills in them
> fear so they become paralysed, unable even to reach out and pick up a
> button off the floor! This pattern of behaviour can only lead to mental
> illness and abberations of 'withdrawal' - downward spiral.
> [Remind you of anyone?]
> To return to the original story as told by HK, it was a madman who
> explained to the HK follower, how picking up coins from the street was
> making him sick!
> Yes, truly a 'madman'...
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> <prometheus_973@> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > These are excerpts only. Klemp's
> > entire article makes me question
> > his mental acuity. Really! Something
> > is wrong... it has to be. This is just too
> > basic and simple-minded for chelas
> > let alone H.I.s! [My brackets and caps]
> > HK: "People's states of consciousness
> > rise by small steps, over many lifetimes.
> > For example, any of us would likely be
> > uncomfortable IF a giant's hand should
> > pick us up and unceremoniously plop
> > us down in a London marketplace way
> > back in Shakespeare's time."
> > ME: Next, Klemp tells us all about how
> > bad the living conditions were back then
> > versus now. However, what's this about
> > "a giant's hand?" Is this "giant" the sky
> > God or the Mahanta (Klemp)? Do H.I.s
> > really need the image of a "giant's hand"
> > to pick them up and take them to London,
> > and back in time? Is this "giant" another
> > Unknown EK Master?
> > HK: "Their level of consciousness guides
> > their behavior.  BUT they are learning
> > too, step by step, drawing even closer to
> > ECK. Why am I giving the ABCs of spiritual
> > unfoldment? So you Do Not forget."
> > ME: Maybe it's Klemp who is having
> > the memory problems! ABCs? That's
> > really too basic for those (H.I.s) with
> > a superior/normal consciousness!
> > Isn't it?
> > HK: "Let them recall for you your own
> > early steps toward the ECK teachings,
> > this time around. You need to remember
> > the `baby` you in order to be a clear channel
> > for the Mahanta. Small, itty-bitty steps do
> > lead to love divine."
> > ME: "This time around" I doubt that
> > "the baby you" remembers or did all
> > that much that matters! Do H.I.s need
> > to be spoon fed too? I don't know what
> > these H.I.s think, but it seems that Klemp
> > is talking down, way down, to them!
> > Why does Klemp want H.I.s to digress
> > in consciousness to earlier times? Or,
> > is he saying that it takes "itty-bitty"
> > baby "steps" to get to that next initiation
> > and that's why it's taking so long...
> > the same old excuse! Darwin handed
> > out plenty of Higher Initiations and
> > Klemp got his share and more!
> > Why doesn't Klemp ever mention having
> > empathy in order to be a `clear channel?'
> > [Isn't being 'clear' a Scientology term?]
> > Anyway, Klemp can't relate to having
> > empathy. And, perhaps, many of these
> > long-time H.I.s have surpassed him in
> > consciousness! Thus, this message is
> > meant to control them (HK needs the
> > vahanas) and he's trying to smooth
> > out their long-standing frustrations,
> > with the RESA hierarchy, as well as,
> > with sitting on those 7th initiations.
> > HK needs to remind them of their place
> > as subordinates and servants within
> > the EK hierarchy. They will, forever,
> > be babies needing his care. I'll bet
> > Joan will be the one changing the
> > diapers!
> > Anyway, next, Klemp has a standard
> > Nigerian story. This one is about finding
> > money on the ground and NOT picking
> > it up because IF you do you can get sick
> > due to Karmic effects. This, of course,
> > doesn't and never did make sense to
> > me, but I used to follow this nutty EK
> > practice too! Silly me! Now, I see "found"
> > money as a positive blessing. And,
> > I don't get sick after picking it up and
> > keeping it... never did before EK and
> > don't now!
> > In retrospect, it's a very superstitious
> > and negative practice (Black Magic)
> > to believe that found money is karmically
> > bad. However, this superstitious and
> > ritualistic belief/mindset probably sounds
> > believable with most New Age ECKists
> > anywhere, and not just in Nigeria!
> > What spiritual Law does picking up
> > lost money violate? Klemp is never
> > too specific.
> > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/nigeria/nigeria_religion.html
> > HK: " BUT a fellow passenger, who
> > had been a listener until then, told a story.
> > He admitted to being a lucky person
> > who often found money in the street..."
> > ME: Next, Klemp has a story about
> > "Jen" and her depression due to her
> > mother's death and how the Mahanta
> > "gave" her two dogs, and then healed
> > one of them via a miracle!
> > HK: "`Jen' had suffered the unexpected
> > loss of her mother Several Years Earlier
> > and had then fallen into a deep state of
> > depression.  BUT the Mahanta brought
> > two Boston terriers, `Lady' and `Fifi,'
> > into her life. They lifted Jen's depression."
> > ME: Why did Klemp, the Mahanta, wait
> > so long and then take credit? Why does
> > Klemp take credit for only "good things"
> > in the lives of his Chelas? Why didn't
> > Klemp (the Mahanta) heal Jen's mother?
> > Or, better yet, why didn't the Mahanta
> > protect/heal Jen from having depression?
> > And, couldn't HK comfort Jen with his
> > words of wisdom or via dreams with
> > her mother, etc.? See, this doesn't
> > make sense that the "Inner Master"
> > takes credit for giving her distractions
> > or substitutes for her mother (two dogs)
> > rather than resolving the issue of death
> > with Jen and her recently departed mother.
> > When non-ECKists buy two dogs, or have
> > them given to them, after the death of
> > a mother and/or father is the Mahanta/
> > God (Klemp) doing this as well? No!
> > HK: "Every day when Jen returned from
> > work, the dogs would greet her at the
> > door: Fifi would bounce; Lady, wiggle.
> > That all changed one day. Fifi started
> > for the door as usual  BUT suddenly
> > let out a horrifying howl of pain. Alarmed,
> > Jen took her to a vet."
> > ME: Maybe Fifi found, and ate, some money
> > while outside to potty! I wonder why she
> > (this dog) had such Bad Karma? Maybe
> > it was a "spiritual test" for Fifi? Nope! The
> > dog had to go through this pain because
> > Jen had to have a "dream" with EK Master
> > Prajapati (the EK Master in charge of animals).
> > Thus, Fifi was healed by Prajapati it was
> > a "Miracle!" Apparently Fifi had a "change
> > in consciousness." LOL! Maybe H.I.s should
> > call upon Prajapati instead of the Mahanta
> > (Klemp) to heal them as well!
> > I'm still not sure why Jen didn't have
> > a dream with her mother. After all, her
> > mother's death is what caused her suffering
> > and depression "years earlier!" Klemp,
> > conveniently, skips over addressing this
> > very important detail. So, why didn't Jen
> > have a dream experience, with her mother,
> > (or the Mahanta) that would resolve her
> > depression? What happened to having
> > an "inner" healing versus an outer one?
> > HK: "So it is a reminder of how states
> > of consciousness do vary. Let others
> > know about the ECK, and the Mahanta
> > will do the rest, as he sees fit, step-by-step."
> > [end]
> > ME: That "as he sees fit" sounds like
> > a disclaimer and a Catch-22! And,
> > "states of consciousness do vary"
> > sounds like another clever escape
> > clause.
> > Thus, when things Don't Work Out for
> > the chela it's because the Mahanta has
> > judged him/her to be at fault. The chela
> > is, always, to blame. The Teflon Mahanta,
> > thus, can only do good and only takes
> > credit for the "good" things that happen!
> > Unless, it's a "spiritual test" for the H.I.,
> > however, even "hard" tests lead to higher
> > consciousness so it's All Good... again!
> > BTW- Why does a chela need the ECK
> > "and the Mahanta" to remedy a situation?
> > Why not just call upon the Holy Spirit?
> > That's what I do at times! Oh, I know why
> > ECK H.I.s don't! It's the Codependency
> > of Needing Klemp! The ECK is Free,
> > whereas, the Mahanta (Klemp) charges
> > money for an annual EK membership!
> > Hey, I just realized that "found" money
> > could be used for that annual EK Membership
> > since it would be "donated" to a "non-profit"
> > org. and would support the Mahanta's
> > (God's) Mission around the world! Or,
> > one could put the found money in a slot
> > machine and take a chance on winning
> > even more money to donate to ECKankar!
> > Actually, EK H.I.s have done this!
> > Prometheus
> > p.s. Klemp uses 4 BUTS and continues
> > to contradict his own teachings found
> > in another H.I. Letter. Thus, this H.I.
> > Letter (teaching), too, must be just as
> > insignificant and irrelevant.
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