4775Re: Overall Observations over History of Eckankar
- Jul 18, 2009Hello paulji teen,
I'd like to respond, again, to your below comments.
paulji_teen tigeroverflow wrote:
I found your site when looking for an update
on a former HI. I first studied under Paul as
a teen, the first seminar I went to was when
he "translated" in Cincinnati. That was an
interesting place to be.
*ME: Yes, it must have been interesting
to listen to all of the speculation while
looking forward to the miracles that a
change in leadership and a changed
consciousness would bring. Wasn't that
the implied promise (via initiation) and
Darwin did hand out a lot of initiations...
too bad they were worthless! Just look at
those he gave Klemp by proxy and in
More to the point for those of your readers
who were not around Eckankar in the late
1960s, to present, and / or never walked the
same library floors researching in books that
Paul once read (and finding his pre-Eckankar
bookmarks), there is the path of Eck (or whatever
you want to call 'it') and then there is the I'll
say bizarre manifestation that has evolved from
what Paul set up.
*ME: Well, let's clear the air and say that Paul
wasn't exactly honest about the origins of his
(and Gail's) new creation. After all, why reinvent
the wheel when Ruhani Satsang and Radha Soami
Beas had "The Path of the Masters" and ready-
made dogma. And, Paul learned how to exaggerate
and stretch the truth early-on in his Sci-Fi pre-eck
writings. PT even fooled Gail and Patti with his age/birth
date phobia because they thought since he was
(supposedly) 19 years older than Gail that it bothered
him. Actually Paul was 32-33 years older than Gail,
and this is what he was hiding from them. However,
I will say that Eckankar has become more like
a Bizarro World under Klemp's Kingly reign.
It never should have become a religion!
Even if Paul plagiarized, I suspect, some /many
of his writings, his goal for the most part, I think
was pure - he wanted to compile his theories of
the common threads of where all or most of the
secret teachings of world spiritual paths intersected -
the common ground. Paul, to me was nothing short
of a man with a genius IQ, and a master at multi-
tasking. He even foresaw that his dream of how
the teachings would develop as the outer organization
matured, would not be what he wanted - that the
purer teachings would stay on the Inner and the
outer would my words based on his writings,
something like 'become watered down'?
*ME: I think that Paul had mixed feelings about
what he was doing. As the "Cliff-Hanger" he
wanted each of us to find and create our own
religion. Gail, his very young wife, however, was
greedy and encouraged him to focus upon making
money by expanding the membership base.
Then, when John-Rogers left and started a copy
of Eckankar (MSIA), Paul took the offense. He
created the "Mahanta" position (Jan. 1969) that
placed him over all other Masters inside and
outside of Eckankar. And, believe me, Paul did
not have a genius IQ any more than Klemp does!
And, these "teachings" were not pure to begin with...
they were altered! However, the original Ruhani
Satsang and Radha Soami are flawed as well!
NO Living (or inner) Master is needed for
30-40 years let alone an entire lifetime!
Over the years I wrote the EIO office drawing to
their attention gaps in writings / content and pointing
to references I had found of what Paul had read
so these gaps could be 'fixed' (based on books
Paul had used)...alas, there wasn't any interest in
this, which I found strange at best. (At one point
I was told to "Park the info on the Inner!")
*ME: Actually, Klemp did do some tweaking
to Paul's Eckankar Dictionary with his Eckankar
Lexicon. However, HK left some info as incorrect
and distorted as Paul had and worse. For instance,
HK added "Anami Purusha. Lord of the tenth
plane, the Anami Lok. The first individual manifestation
of God." Yet, if one looks at the word above this:
"Anami Lok... the world of the Supreme Being,
the Sugmad,... and the word is HU; the Tenth Plane."
And then the definition, "Sat Nam... the first manifestation
of God." Thus, how can Anami Purusha be the lord
of the 10th Plane the Anami Lok when Sugmad
resides there! BTW- Why does Sugmad reside on
the 10th Plane when Klemp has a 14th Plane Initiation?
And, Anami Purusha was Not the first manifestation
of God when it was Sat Nam!
I also have no idea if Darwin was guilty, or not,
of what he was accused of - if he were in fact truly
guilty, I think Eckankar may have wanted to press
charges. Explanations even at the time, just didn't
ring 'true' to me. The older me, now a few decades
older, think it was more about not wanting Eckists
to try to follow two "masters" - Harold, Darwin --
and the competing third master -memories of Paul
were still very strong at that time. It's one thing to
have 'masters' with drawings on cards and another
to have the 3-D version.
*ME: Darwin was not guilty of a crime. However,
he was guilty of trusting Klemp's word. Then again,
Klemp had DG meet with him in that Sound Proof
Dark Room (at the ESC) that HK worked in. This should
have been a clue, a heads-up, or a Waking Dream
to alert him that something was amiss when no Light
or Sound could get in. [Soul Travelers of the Far Country,
CH.7] Darwin should have announced that he would
be staying on as the Mahanta. This would have made
it much more difficult for HK and the Board to have
him removed since Klemp was just a 12th!
As for Harold -- his autobiographic past and career -
I can't help but wonder "was he selected as a puppet-
head of Eckankar", someone who could be controlled
by the Board? I have always found his parables to be
very uninspiring and his talks mostly boring. I was
one someone who lived for the next seminars - and
had soon found myself enjoying the other talks, art
and music, and leaving when Harold talked. His style
on the outer does little for me.
*ME: Yes, Klemp has boring one-dimensional stories.
After a long day his stories will, easily, put you to sleep.
It's funny because they say that you've gotten it on the
inner! But I knew one person who was always going to
the "inner" and was punished for it! He had to wait for
his 5th for 30 continuous years of active membership!
Probably my biggest complaint about Eckankar's
outer organization is it feels to me like a "brownie
points" plan. If you volunteer, go out and try to sell
others on this being the 'perfect way to God' then you
get noticed and get rewarded with another initiation
"stripe". If you are an HI not volunteering at Eck
events, or doing Vahana work for Eckankar, and just
are living the Eck life quietly (in my case doing volunteer
work for over 20 years outside of Eckankar) and working
in bereavement counseling - according to the outer
Eckankar I've practically been told it doesn't count...
I don't do it to have it 'count' - I do it as it just what
I do. So, comments from head office that I need to be
more 'involved' in the local Eck community to evolve
spiritually, left me cold (Sort of like a conversation like -
"If you only prayed, 'better', 'harder', 'more', 'different',
etc then you would get "x" benefit - a frequent Christian
*ME: RESA "brownie points" are important. One must
Serve (volunteer), be Silent (don't question), Submit
your will (surrender). It helps to be a close friend to
the RESA too. Donating money, locally, and to the ESC
helps too! One, also, has to be part of the local hierarchy.
Thus, all-in-all, this doesn't leave much time for other
activities. This is where Klemp, and his underlings, give
lip service to compassion. However, one could always
play the "Contemplation Order" card. It isn't used much,
but it does keep most of them (RESAs) off your back.
I probably sound jaded. I suppose I am. I know what
I know on the Inner, but the outer - I have this love vs.
dislike of the outer organization....waiting for a new
spiritual head of the organization. It's time, I think,
for Harold to retire. He isn't a "pope", or a "king". So
many of us older timers from Paul's days have either
left, or just sort of hang-on.
*ME: You're no more jaded that other long-time H.I.s.
Let's face it... it's all a scam! The initiations are by
proxy on the outer. and they don't even exist on the
inner. Look at Klemp as proof! How can "Soul equal
Soul" exist in a Hierarchy? Klemp should have stepped
back when he first had his EMR/EMF problems. This
was Golden-Tongued Wisdom/Waking Dream stuff
from Sugmad that he ignored. This EMR thing began
when... 1990? HK's was afraid that someone might
do to him what he did to Darwin. Now, it's just an ego
desire to hang onto power and prestige.
Eckankar, to me, if an awkward experience - when
I have left, I have found on the outside looking in.
When I came back, I still felt I so look forward to
Harold moving on. I hope whoever follows Harold
is more into providing spiritual teachings or training
similar to Paul.
*ME: Sorry, I just don't see any of that happening.
Klemp won't leave, and he's screwed things up so
much that it can't be corrected. Besides, why do
advanced Souls (like eckists) need to be codependent
upon a "Master?"
Why I do find it hard to leave -- over nearly 40 years
I have had so many experiences on the Outer with spiritual
beings (masters?) and other uncanny coincidences that
leave me knowing that there is a strong 'something' to
all of this. And I still feel I am taught on the Inner.
*ME: It's all you know! It's no wonder you're having
trouble leaving. Look at all of those EK friends and
relatives too! But, all of that stuff you've experienced
has nothing to do with Eckankar, except, in how your
mind has created its reality. Look at other religionists
and their similar experiences. Other people have spiritual
experiences without initiations and without religion.
My thoughts....I am interested in your comments -
and insight. So many of you must have been in similar
situations - where the outer path just left you more
with doubts and frustrated?
*ME: It did with me. I just didn't want to believe
that this new religion (Eckankar) was as bogus as
the ones I had left behind decades ago! Still, it
was hard to believe that some people were H.I.s
(stupid and/or mean spirited) or got promoted
when they smoked and drank! Didn't the Mahanta
know what was going on? Why did he need Initiate
Reports and why did RESAs need to call local H.I.s
for a report when the computer generated initiation
list came down from the ESC? And, that was just
part of it. There were also all of those contradictions
that nobody wanted to discuss... it could only be
understood on the "Inner" so keep silent!
Of those of you who have left - are you coming together
to continue studying on the outside of the Eckankar
organization? If so, interested!
*ME: I don't study religion nor have the need to
join one. I will, from time-to-time, read something
that has a (Soul) feeling/reflection of higher Truth
(for me). Some of the info on The Church of the Churchless
was interesting as is rereading about the Tao. But,
I'm done with anything too organized or hierarchal
or religious or with a group think about individualized
experiences. Who has authority over me or you (Soul)?
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