4736Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Patti Resigned and Was Not Removed!
- Jun 27, 2009Something else for this thread. From The
It doesn't have to do with the August 7th,
1983 meeting. Not unless that was the
time when Patti became not active. My
guess was it refers to some time later.
A question for Doug. Is Patti Simpson still
an Eckist? I send all who read this my love
I believe this is a record TO FREEMAN of
"[....] I know that Patti does still feel very
fond feelings toward Paul, but she is also
not active in Eckankar. Past that, I would
rather she answer the rest for herself. [....]"
I'm not sure of the date when Doug gave
a response, but I assume it was February
2004. The 16th?
Freeman's question is dated February 9th.
Doug Marman doesn't appear to respond
until days later, but I think the link where he
did respond is currently not working.
Although Doug posted on the 22nd, my
guess is that he responed to Freeman on
the 16th. That was the date on the Vanilla
There are a number of links (more than a few)
on the new TruthSeeker site that don't work at
the present time.
At any rate, according to D
Patti was "not active in Eckankar" in 2004 -
I don't know when Patti became not active,
or why. Neither do I know whether she was
terminated or resigned from her position of
Eckankar Secretary in 1983. In Ford's book
it read, to me, like she was terminated from
that position and replaced by Joan, Harold's
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:17 am
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Patti Resigned and Was Not
If I could access the Truth-Seeker
site I would show the minutes from
the meeting where officers and trustees
were appointed along with a long discussion
of what to do about Darwin. Patti was
appointed as Secretary during this very
long meeting that went until 10:00 p.m.
A recess was taken and the meeting was
to resume the very next day.
However, Patti resigned the next day after
having the night to think or dream about
what was being done to Darwin by Klemp
and his new crew (EK Board). Apparently Joan
documented the details differently, after
Patti left, by showing that Patti was "removed"
when, in fact, she resigned. Thus, HK's cover-
up began early on. A "resolution" was simply
done to officiall
y accept Patti's resignation.
Another motion and "vote" was made into
a resolution to appoint joan to fill the empty
position. Anyway, why don't you ask Marman
to ask Patti how it went down, according to
her, and get it straight from the horse's mouth!
p.s. Tell Marman to have Patti email you rather
than take his word for what she has to say.
I wasn't aware that Patti S. resigned. Instead, I
had the impression she was removed. Here is why:
"Another interesting development in the August
7 meeting was the appointment, by resolution,
of Patricia Simpson Rivinus [married in 1983],
Paul Twitchell's secretary, as the new secretary
of Eckankar. Only one day later, she was, by
resolution, summarily removed from this position
and told that
... her services as an officer are hereby terminated,
both such removal and termination being effective imm-
"Joan Cross (later Harold's wife) was
... appointed as Secretary of Eckankar, effective
immediately, to serve the unexpired portion of the
current term of Secretary."
[See: Ford Johnson, Confessions of a God Seeker,
A Journey to Higher Consciousness, p. 233-234]Â
figured Patti had left EKankar since
she resigned as Secretary to the ECKankar
Board the day after Klemp & his new Board
went after Darwin. Joan was voted to take
Patti's position as Secretary, immediately,
the same day as the resignation. Apparently
Joan took lessons from Harry on how to stand
in the wings, and await, until opportunity
comes a knocking.
I've often wondered about Gail & Patti -
ever since I started researching & posting
as far back as The TruthSeeker B.B. Was
it 2005-2007? I think it was some time
It's a big question mark, to me, about
whatever happened to Gail's involvement
with Eckankar. Why the apparent silence
for so many years? However, I don't think
Patti has been so silent. I don't think it a
mystery anymore, either, whether or not
she is a member of Eckankar. At least, I
believe it was alluded to by Doug M. that
she was not any longer active. Instead of
going into the details about this, my recoll-
ection is that Doug wanted to let Patti tell
the story in her own time, in her own way.
0many books Paul Twitchell
finished before 1966, I think I see your
At one time Twitchell was a high ranking
member of Scientology. It seems L. Ron
was his original source of "compiled" info
on Jupiter. Thus, this now becomes Klemp's
handed-down source since he tends to use
other people (usually dead) as inspiration
for his "EK wisdom."
As far as Marman goes... he speculates...
a lot... and then calls it the Whole Truth! LOL!
Plus, according to Twitchell, it was GAIL who
inspired him to take his piles of "research"
and do something with it. Wasn't it 1963
when PT met, GAIL, his coconspirator! I blame
GAIL for the fraud more than Twitchell! She's
had all of these years to right a wrong, but she's
kept silent. The sin of omission! She, too, must
be a narcissist! GAIL has rationalized her role
by thinking she'd helped people who were
desperate to believe in something more than
what they had with their former orthodox
religions. Except, Scientology, etc., etc., and
other cult-like religions can say and do the
same. Therefore, Gai
l is more the KAL agent
than Paul. Yet, she and Patti seem to be Marman's
new buds. Gail should do the right thing and
jerk the rug out from under Klemp. Gail could
even come on this site (ESA) Anonymously and
post some tidbits about Twit, Gross, Klemp, or
Ginn, or Skelsky, etc. She really does need to
clear her conscience and protect those Souls
whom she helped to delude.
BTW, on another note, didn't Marman say
that Kirpal didn't return the Tiger's Fang
manuscript to Twit until around June, 1966.
Thus, the only book PT had completely compiled/
written, and printed, prior to 1965 was, maybe,
a book of poetry?
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