4572Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Fundamentalism and Religion
- Mar 10, 2009Most of the favoritism of men over women
came from Patriarchal religion replacing the
earlier matriarchal beliefs, IMO.
The Moon was worshipped long before
Muhammad, I believe, and the moon still
appears on certain national flags. I think
the Moon is a feminine symbol.
One thing men cannot do is "create life"
(give birth). In the ancient world this would
make women revered over men, IMO.
My suspicion is the ascendency of men
over women came with the age of war. Be-
fore that, during earlier civilizations when
the towns were unfortified, women would
have been central to the survival of human
society. They gave birth, raised children,
cooked food, made clothing and baskets,
etc. Men probably worked in the fields &
did a lot of the things the women did, too,
but when armies and the weapons of war
got to be big business I suspect these over-
powered the vocations of women and put
men into the top positions of importance.
Just musing about this.
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:50 am
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Fundamentalism and Religion
I agree with what you have said. Here's a
site that has some information as to how
and why Islamic men see women as they do.
BTW- I hope this come up.
It's interesting, too, that ECKankar denies women
the opportunity to become LEM's (12th Initiates),
due to "polarity" since women are "negative."
Also, the Order of the Vairagi Adepts (pg 222
EK Lexicon) is made up of "just men," but then
a make-believe female Master (Kata Daki) is added
to the "inner" ranks in order to placate the EK
female members who do most of the work!
>When I stated that I was concerned and bothered by fanatics,
fundamentalists and radicals, I was applying this to all religions.
I think you misunderstood by comments when I pointed out that
Islam is an antiquated religion, primitive and one as a woman
I would not want to be associated with . . . . but there are plenty
of zealots in various religious groups throughout this country.
I also think it is ridiculous for people of differing faith to go as
missionaries into foreign countries to convert . . . but many religious
groups, including eckankar and its vahana missions, fall into this
category as well. So I do agree that we should not be working to
convert peoples of the world to other religions. Also democracy
does not work everywhere either. All this government needs to say
in order to get support for a war in the Middle East is to say our
troops are going there to free the people, etc. LOL! But there is
also the flip side to what our intentions are and what other zealots
in other countries have on their agenda. A fanatic is always wanting
to convert others . . . that is a forefront mission. And they will do
it in various ways, including conquering and forcing their will/belief
on others. For instance, just take a look at the history of Egypt and
how it came to be 90% Moslem . . . I can assure you it was not nice.
It was very bloody . . . people converted unwillingly . . . a country
that had some of the earliest Christian churches in the world almost
converted totally overnight . . . just how does that happen? An
by the masses . . . or was it by force? And try to live there as a non-
Moslem today . . . 10% are not Moslem. .
>Now, getting back to just letting people have their religions and
not be concerned? Well, for the most part, I guess one can. However,
many cruel things have been done and continue to be done in the
name of God/religion. My whole point basically is that religions
as I said before exist to control and manipulate people, women
usually being the most controlled and kept subservient. Religion
to me does not afford freedom . . . so why should they have free
range to do some of the idiotic and atrocious things they do. Why
turn a blind eye?
>I lived in the Middle East for a time. I enjoyed the association
with many Moslems, but among them are the fanatics . . . and
at one time, I got caught up in a disturbance which was dangerous . . .
with my child . . . Mob mentality is really scary . . . to the point
the non violent of a faith are intimidated to keep quiet.
>But we have many hard headed fundies in this country too--not
so sure they are as violent though . . . not at this time.
>I could say more but I'm not seeing the point of going too deep
on this subject. Sam Harris' book End of Faith is an interesting
read. I do recommend it if you haven't read it already. : )
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