4566Fundamentalism and Religion
- Mar 9, 2009Hello Jonathan and All,
I thought that I'd reply to some comments
with my opinions as well.
[J]: You also stated "I do respect other's rights
to their religious beliefs and practices, but admit
that I am concerned and bothered by fanatics,
fundalmentalists and radicals. In fact, these factions
are pretty scary."
I understand your concern over "fanatics and radicals,"
but only if they try to force their beliefs on me. Otherwise
what they do is none of my business. If they are breaking
the laws of their country then they will ahve to deal with
ME: I think that 9/11/2001 was a way of forcing
Islamic beliefs on to us just as other religions
use other methods and by any means necessary.
[J]: A Moslem man acurately pointed out to me that
"fundalmentalist" simply means that a person follows
a very basic form of their religion. In other words,
Christian Amish, Orthodox Jews, and Moslems who
follow Islam as it was followed 500 years ago are
all legitimately "fundalmentalists."
ME: I don't think that is accurate. Fundamentalists
take their scripture literally! This is what makes them
dangerous and motivates them to make sure that their
scripture is fulfilled. Thus, anything they do for their
God, or his Prophets, is justified and the highest law.
[J]: So the new media has managed to brainwash Americans
into believing that a Muslim society that restricts women
(by American standards, of course) is synonymous with
a Muslim man with a rocket launcher on his shoulder.
It's a big lie. But it was used to help justify our involvement
in Afghanistan (we're there to help Afghan women, therefore
the war is a noble and justified cause).
ME: Islam restricts women by (civilized) World Standards
and not just by U.S. standards. Islam will remain a barbaric
(uncivilized) religion because of its scripture. These fundamental
beliefs cannot be changed, unless, the scripture is changed.
And Yes, to some extent the war in Afghanistan is a noble
and justified cause when women are denied an education
and have acid thrown on them.
[J]: If there are religions in the world that restrict women
then let the men and women in those religions do
something about it if they choose. It really is nobody
else's business to interfere. This policy of America
interfering in other peoples around the world is really
an extension of Christianity which feels that it has the
right to change others to what it believes is right. It
happened during the Christian Crusades, and the
United States of America is doing it today. Yes, I know
Muslims have done this too. I know that Muslims did
it in Eastern Europe and Northern India. It has been
a tendency of both Christianity and Islam for a very
ME: How can the women do anything when the men
have seen to it that they have no power or authority?
Besides, it would go against their scripture to do
something else, thus, there wouldn't be anything
that anyone could do! The trick is to keep people
ignorant, poor, and stirred up. This is how fundamentalism,
especially, and religion, in general, works as a opiate
for the masses.
[J]: Ultimately, I guess I have been struggling with whether
I should start calling Eckankar a cult. If I did that then
I would have to call all of the large religions cults as well,
and I am not prepared to do that. Either all of them are
cults or all of them are religions.
ME: Yes, all religions are cults! Even the "loving" Jesus
threatened people, or else! Religions are Groups of like
minded people who want to be told what they are supposed
to do. Fundamentalist Religions encourage a Mob behaviour
where right and wrong no longer exist because there are
"higher" laws to be followed. There is no individualism
within these religions. It is not tolerated. Where religions
have control of the government and religious laws are
higher than manmade laws one cannot practice freedom
of belief. They must agree with the Religious Leaders and
the Mob mentality or else they and their families will be
persecuted. Actually, control of the government and of
the masses with their own laws are what all religious
leaders are striving for. Misery loves company. Power,
money, lust and fear still control religious belief.
Thus, I believe that all religions are impractical and
unnecessary. Religions are like modified forms/versions
of marketing pyramids or vice versa. They are full of
myths, distortions, and lies. There are always "leaders"
who "know" more than timid and ignorant followers
(sinners). And, no follower can ever surpass the "leaders,"
unless, they are chosen (by the leaders) to do so. No
"unapproved" follower is permitted to disagree with
the leaders and with the scripture, or to excel in spirituality
beyond that of the "Leader."
> Jonathan, you have made some interesting comments
> regarding other religions and how eckists view them. A
> big part of the eckankar dogma is to instill in a member's
> mind that being an eckist is to be an enlightened/chosen
> one--planting the seed of spiritual superiority. And yet,
> the way chelas are held back from advancing in a timely
> manner via initiations, it seems rather funny that chelas
> can feel superior to other religious groups while they
> themselves are kept in a very subservient standing within
> the eckankar circle.
> I do respect other's rights to their religious beliefs and
> practices, but admit that I am concerned and bothered by
> fanatics, fundalmentalists and radicals. In fact, these factions
> are pretty scary.
> Yesterday, I met a gentleman--a very interesting and polite
> fellow who shared a bit about his background, stating that
> he came to North America in 1972 from an African country.
> He very easily added too that he was a moslem. Now, I do not
> care for Islam at all as I believe it is very archaic and being a
> female . . . well, I'm just glad I never had to follow such religious
> teachings. However, I liked this man very much and it does
> not bother me that he is a moslem at all. He obviously practices
> the best aspects of it . . .
> But frankly, I have come to not like religions at all . . . they are
> manmade for the purpose of controlling and manipulating
> groups of people. I have never met a religion that didn't instill
> fear in its followers . . . and some also teach hatred and violence.
> I do not respect religion, but I do respect and like people, even
> if I do not share their beliefs.
> Anyway, just a few comments in response to your interesting
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