4565Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Voodoo, Wicca, Satanism, Native American Shamanism
- Mar 9 4:44 PMI think there were more members than that
During the time of Darwin Gross. Someone
at atom.org suggested 3 million by the time
Darwin was ousted.
I never heard that number during my time
in Eckankar (beginning 1987). The number
that does come to mind is 50,000 +.
If those figures you gave are correct then
membership has declined, I suspect.
BTW, there was an article in paper today
about a new study about religious members.
Part of the title read "Those claiming to have
no religion on increase" The report was from
The Program on Public Values at Trinity Coll-
ege in Hartford, Conn. They surveyed "54,461
adults in English or Spanish from February
through November of last year".
From: jonathanjohns96 <jonathanjohns96@...>
Sent: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 3:06 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Voodoo, Wicca, Satanism,
Native American Shamanism
You also mention the "Eckists as elitists" trait (my words). I will be
including that fact in my discussion in this post.
You also stated "I do respect other's rights to their religious beliefs
and practices, but admit that I am concerned and bothered by fanatics,
fundalmentalists and radicals. In fact, these factions are pretty
I understand your concern over "fanatics and radicals," but only if
try to force their beliefs on me. Otherwise what they do is none
of my business. If they are breaking the laws of their country then
they will ahve to deal with that.
A Moslem man acurately pointed out to me that "fundalmentalist" simply
means that a person follows a very basic form of their religion. In
other words, Christian Amish, Orthodox Jews, and Moslems who follow
Islam as it was followed 500 years ago are all legitimately
"fundalmentalists." What has happenned is that the news media in the
United States has brainwashed Americans to believe that Muslims who
practice an ancient form of Islam (fundamentalists by definition) are
radicals as well. They have done this by reinforcing the belief that
Muslims restrict women, therefore they are wrong, therefore the news
media managed to change the phrase "Muslim fundamentalists" to mean
something dangerous. Something that need to be controlled. Therefore,
the United States can justify going around the world forcing everybody
to be like they are.
So the new media has managed to brainwash Americans into believing that
a Muslim society that restricts women (by American standards, of
course) is synonymous with a Muslim man with a rocket launcher on his
shoulder. It's a big lie. But it was used to help justify our
involvement in Afghanistan (we're there to help Afghan women, therefore
the war is a noble and justified cause).
0are religions in the world that restrict women then let the
men and women in those religions do something about it if they choose.
It really is nobody else's business to interfere. This policy of
America interfering in other peoples around the world is really an
extension of Christianity which feels that it has the right to change
others to what it believes is right. It happened during the Christian
Crusades, and the United States of America is doing it today.
Yes, I know Muslims have done this too. I know that Muslims did it in
Eastern Europe and Northern India. It has been a tendency of both
Christianity and Islam for a very long time.
So, onto my next discussion:
I just did a search for blogs about Eckankar and the #1 hit was a blog
named "Religion or Revelation."
Blog named "Religion or Revelation"
Ever notice the universal reality of how "religious" our world is today?
We live in a "enlightened society" and notice how highly religious we
Interesting facts: probably already outdated!
In our country there are many different religions.
Buddhism – 1.5 million +
Mormons – 13 million (worldwide)
Hindu – 1 million +
Agnostics – 1.4 million +
Atheists – 1.3 million +
Baha'i – 120 thousand +
Taoist – 50 thousand +
Scientology – 100 thousand +
Eckankar – 30 thousand +
Pagans/Wicca/Druids – conservatively – 1 million +
So conservatively we have millions of "Religiously" lost souls in
Why would I say they are "religious" and lost?
Every religion that is not based on "God's Word" alone is a distortion
of the one true God's revealed truth.
The truth is only found in the 66 books of the Old and New Testament
which reveals God's will and way to heaven that comes to us by grace
alone through faith alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ alone.
John 14:6 (ESV)
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me.
In truth all other religions according to Scripture are distortions of
the reality of what Biblical Christianity teaches.
Notice the last sentence that I quoted. It sounds exactly like what
Eckankar says, doesn't it? It's an elitist view that says "Only our
religion is correct." Soon after that people like this start to judge
and criticise things they know nothing about. And this blog is what we
often get as a result of that.
It seems to me that some former Eckists are taking their experience
with Eckankar20and then applying it to every religion/cult that they see
out there. I think it is a shortsighted practice. I guess my point
about the members of Eckankar and all of we former members is that we
should strive to comment on what we have experience in. For myself, I
am going to try very hard to critique only what I know about which is
Eckankar, and to a lesser degree, Christianity.
Ultimately, I guess I have been struggling with whether I should start
calling Eckankar a cult. If I did that then I would have to call all of
the large religions cults as well, and I am not prepared to do that.
Either all of them are cults or all of them are religions.
In conclusion, perhaps this is the overall pattern I am seeing:
Present members of Eckankar:
They blast small religions/cults because these current members have an
elitist view that Eckankar is inherently superior. So they blast
Scientology and Satanists.
Former members of Eckankar:
They blast small religions/cults because these former members have so
much anger at Eckankar, any time they see something else that reminds
them of Eckankar they blast it too. So they blast Scientology.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
>view them. A
> Jonathan, you have made some interesting comments
> regarding other religions and how eckists
> big part of the eckankar dogma is to instill in a member'sreligious
> mind that being an eckist is to be an enlightened/chosen
> one--planting the seed of spiritual superiority. And yet,
> the way chelas are held back from advancing in a timely
> manner via initiations, it seems rather funny that chelas
> can feel superior to other religious groups while they
> themselves are kept in a very subservient standing within
> the eckankar circle.
> I do respect other's rights to their religious beliefs and
> practices, but admit that I am concerned and bothered by
> fanatics, fundalmentalists and radicals. In fact, these factions
> are pretty scary.
> Yesterday, I met a gentleman--a very interesting and polite
> fellow who shared a bit about his background, stating that
> he came to North America in 1972 from an African country.
> He very easily added too that he was a moslem. Now, I do not
> care for Islam at all as I believe it is very archaic and being a
> female . . . well, I'm just glad I never had to follow such
> teachings. However, I liked this man very much and it doesligions at all . . . they
> not bother me that he is a moslem at all. He obviously practices
> the best aspects of it . . .
> But frankly, I have come to not like re
> manmade for the purpose of controlling and manipulatingviolence.
> groups of people. I have never met a religion that didn't instill
> fear in its followers . . . and some also teach hatred and
> I do not respect religion, but I do respect and like people, even"jonathanjohns96" <jonathanjohns96@> wrote:
> if I do not share their beliefs.
> Anyway, just a few comments in response to your interesting
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com,
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