455Re: Truthdecider's Post, "The Ex-Eckist Critics Vs. The Ex-Eckist Apologists
- Sep 2, 2005Truthdecider,
I'm sure you may mean well, but the Katrina disasters of the world may
not agree. Bad things sometimes happen to good people. I sometimes
refer to the "I created and create all of my existence to every tiny
detail as a reflection of my own consciousness" as New Age Guilt. The
old Karma thing of ultimate and absolute responsibility for
everything. This is also a good path towards self-hate and the old
manic/depressive cycle so often seen in people making such grandiose
propositions. I am not preaching, just conveying my experience.
I have also seen Elizabeth Kubler-Ross in a lecture and she was a
pretty fiesty outspoken person. She was not just an all accepting
personality and if she had a beef with someone about something, she
could very well let them have it without holding back, even as an old
lady who had recovered from a serious stroke.
My understanding of the grieving stages is that they are not
necessarily sequential or linear. It is an organic process. Denial is
always there and anger and sadness and all the rest. The point is
accepting whatever comes up and working with it and through it IMO. In
shamanistic terms there is a sense of accepting what is appropriate,
what is for that moment. And then the Buddhists have their way of
dealing with life, compasion and open awareness. I'm no expert, but
this is my take on it. Denial is really a difficult one. I personally
don't think that Paul Twitch intended his New Age religion to be a
training ground for self-made masters of their own fate, once they
realized the whole thing was just a sham, IMO.
P.S. resisting feelings is a really hard thing to do, yet that is what
eckiekar taught us to do. Har, Har. Sorry I suddenly felt silly.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "truthdecider"
On a different point about all of this, I believe very strongly that
everything that we experience in life is a reflection of our own state
of consciousness. I experience this on a daily basis, and have
absolutely no doubt about this reality. And this is certainly not just
something that is taught in Eckankar. This is the basis of most truly
grounded spiritual teachings, such as the Shamanistic traditions, the
Buddhist traditions, etc. So even if it appears that someone hits me
with their car, or I am born into an abusive household (which I was),
or I join a spiritual path that turns out to have a lot of deceptions
and untruths in it that are mixed with some truths, this is all still
my hologram! It is my universe that I created to learn from, and my
mental projection. All of it! I can't disown certain parts of it,
because all of it's mine, and I need to realize that I own all of it
if I am ever to fully understand and transcend it.
Now granted, as Elizabeth Kubler-Ross so wisely points out, most of us
go through 5 distinct stages of grieving when we experience any kind
of big loss or hurt. One of the earlier stages is allowing the anger
and the pain to have their beingness. I can remember punching a heavy
bag, sometimes for an hour or more a day, for several weeks when I
finally was facing the anger that I felt towards my abusive childhood.
But as even most Therapists will tell you, the real healing of the
pain and damage from these kinds of experiences commences when you get
to the point where you can not only forgive your abusers or deceivers,
but when you can begin to see the experience in a positive light, and
actually see how the whole experience helped you develop certain
positive qualities that you may not have otherwise developed.
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