4077Re: I'm new here...
- Nov 9, 2008Hi Leanne and All,
No, the RESA or another H.I. calls
you to check out someone for initiation.
You don't call them, unless, you have
a complaint to file. Now this could
screw someone for initiation! And
often the H.I. or RESA will Not check
out the complaint fully, or get the
other side of the story. It all depends.
Now, if there is a strong EK sisterhood
in place they will sometimes stick together
and accept gossip when a sister has been
"wronged," or "offended."
Sometimes they have been "wronged"
by another EK female or by an EK male.
There are a lot of divorced ECKists out
there and sometimes guys will hit on
newbies because their own marriage
was, basically, over with. Or, lower
initiate women will hit on H.I. males.
Some EK women don't like being dumped
or rejected and can be very vindictive and
tend to get even via the hierarchy. This might
seem strange to hear because ECKists have
the Mahanta and a higher consciousness
than regular non-ECKists... right?
Complaints can affect one's next initiation
if the RESA or another higher up gets a phone
call. Of course some of these ECKists have
just had their egos bruised, or are off their
meds (really!), but for some reason the RESAs
seldom look at these possibilities if the person
filing the complaint has the "credentials."
Anyway, I've heard some really crazy stories
and one person tried to drag me into the
middle of a dispute once. After that I kept
an eye on things better, but still had to do
some damage control once. There were some
chelas that were really good manipulators
and were always the victim. To keep the peace
I had to walk on egg shells around some and
one H.I., I discovered, was Bi-Polar!
It was really nice leaving this crap behind
when I left ECKankar. There are just too
many screwy people (ECKists) to deal with,
and one is always having to "act" a part and
be on guard. Those desires for initiation can
and will make people really crazy (crazier).
I just had an "EVIL" thought.
Can one call in as a "pretend"
friend of an HI or RESA and
Or any way of fooling them.
Hello Ma-li and All,
I was being asked to approve or disapprove
potential initiations in 1990 by my RESA.
I rationalized this by thinking that Klemp (the
Mahanta) had so much to do with running the
universes that he needed governors (RESAs)
and others within the hierarchy to do the more
basic duties. After all, that's why it was a
When one wants and needs to believe there is
always a way for the mind to rationalize.
It's very difficult (and inconvenient) to wake-up
to the Truth because that would mean detaching
oneself (letting go) from: their religious beliefs;
their society of friends; the dogma that freed
them from their original fears. Many ECKists can't
see that any religion (including ECKankar) is merely
a stop-gap until they have learned to walk their
own Walk (path) as their own Master and Cliff-Hanger.
Only one's inflated Ego and a need for Power and
Money would create and maintain a religion. Twit
created EK from what he read and learned on a
personal and subjective level. To silence the critics
Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp took the "as if" approach
and became pseudo Masters with self-created titles
and powers that made them beyond reproach.
And, where is the empathy? Where is the Mahanta's
protection from (karma) cancer? Why are there Metal
Detectors and Searches at ECK Seminars for only Klemp's
talk? Why are there Searches for Seminar Tours of the
ECK Temple and the ESC?
Basically, the status quo of H.I. ECKists don't want
to know the Truth, although, many would like to see
more "Change," especially, in Leadership. It must have
been very disappointing for them NOT to see any
"changes" coming in 2008-2009 when Klemp spoke
so much about "change" at the October 2007 EWWS!
I don't see why more H.I.s haven't just thrown in the
towel and said "F___ it all!" It's disgusting to see that
Klemp is maintaing a narcissistic "death grip" on power
without any regard to the ECKankar membership.
Maybe this is a "TEST" for them? The higher they are
and the longer they've served makes it even more difficult
(a greater challenge) for these Chelas to "Let Go" of
Religion! Thus, those who have the most to gain, also,
have the most to lose.
But, what is it ECK H.I.s would LOSE by leaving their
Church? They would lose: their Initiation Number
and EK Membership Card; most of their ECK "friends;"
their Positions and Duties within the RESA Hierarchy;
their Co-dependency, and Servitude mindset; their
Passiveness (disguised as detachment); their Fears;
And, what would H.I.s they GAIN by leaving EK?
They gain and realize: Spiritual Freedom and Self-
Mastery, now, in this lifetime; Self-Reliance; Clarity
and a New Perspective with regained, rejuvenated,
and expanded Insights; regained Love and Empathy;
Less Stress, more Peace of Mind; and Contentment.
Yes, the belief in ANY religion is a KAL Test and
only the strong can break the ties that have bound
generations. Eventually, one has to graduate from
or quit school and start living life. Klemp is just a
self-proclaimed expert, intellectual, and teacher
who couldn't function in the real world.
You have no idea what a kick in the butt this
has been to learn that something I really believed
in for so long, is pure fiction for the most part....
that fraud has been perpetrated on so many for
financial gain, for power, and without a thought
for the harm done to the hundres/thousands who
actually bought into the "dream".
Several years ago I was asked by the RESA if
I thought a 6th initiation for B. was acceptable,
and if I'd approve one.
B. was dying of cancer. At the time I had no
idea why she was asking me since she never
wanted my opinion on anything else. Of course,
I said yes, that B really deserved it since she was
such a dedicated Eckist. I knew the two women
didn't get along...B had told me many times of
the nasty things the other did and said. In fact,
she's the one who told me the other had written
ESC that I was inactive.
Anyway, I thought no more about the incident
or initiations, until years later when I began to
wonder why "the inner Master who sees all, and
knows all" would need to ask the RESA and a 5th
about someone's initiation. I suspected then that
things weren't as they seemed.
Today I wonder why she chose to ask me if
I would recommend the initiation. I know she
didn't like B or me, and maybe she just wanted
to refuse B her dying wish. Doesn't matter now
anyway. This whole subject brings up a lot of
bitter feelings and memories, and reminders of
the back peddaling the former RESA did when
I asked about things. There was always an excuse,
and always "because the Mahanta said so".
Just can't believe they got so much stuff "on
the inner" that concerned me.
If I dared to say any of this to any of the eck
friends, they would be horrified, and I would
be ostracized.. ...not that I'm not already on
the outside....way out of the loop. It feels good
to unload what has been on my mind, but there's
still a little voice saying I'm going to get into
big trouble for this. Sure hope it's just paranoia.
Thanks for the link. I'll read it later today.
Ma-li, I've been in that position when RESAS
would ask my opinion about other eckists up
for initiation (company promotion). If Klemp
was what he claimed to be - omniscient and
omnipotent, there wouldn't be a need for this
kind of thing. He would know everything and
make his determination based on a person's
spiritual unfoldment. It's another example
showing he's a fake.
Yes, Paul Twitchell made it all up. What he
didn't make up, he stole from other writers
and claimed as his own awe-inspiring insights.
Remember, like Ron Hubbard, Twitchell was
a third-rate science fiction writer. He learned
from his mentor that writing books was not
going to get him rich and give him the recognition
he craved. So, he made up a religion/cult and
put himself at the head of it.
He didn't really get away with the plagiarism.
It's dogging Eckankar today. You've seen references
to it all over the web. Try writing Peter Skelsky,
Harold Klemp, or Jack Heil about the plagiarism.
You're never going to hear back from any of them.
Yes, the female Eck Master is another mythical
being promoted by Klemp to appease his female
followers. He never explained how a female
becomes an Eck Master even though the Shariyat
says a female can never be the Living Eck Master.
It's good that you're getting rid of all that poison
by expressing your doubts on this forum.
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