4071Re: I'm new here...
- Nov 8, 2008Hello Ma-li and All,
First, I'd like to point out that Kata-Daki
(K.D.) is Kay-Dee (Katherine) Twitchell.
Paul created this Female ECK Master in
memory of his sister and nine years after
Anyway, I'd like to insert my comments
(below) to what has been shared.
"Looks like the few Eckists thee were
in this area back in the beginning,
missed the boat on the 7th initiations
by the late 80s -early 90s. The highest
there was then was a 4th. Oh well..."
ME: Some remote areas didn't have many
(any) H.I.s because most chelas need to
gain the attention of the powers that be
"If I am understanding you, people like
me will never get further because we
don't have the resources, have health
issues, or may have pissed off someone
higher up who is now in a position of
power re: initiations etc. Gee, do you
think when the RESA's best friend takes
it upon herself to write ESC that another
chela isn't an active member, that it would
make a difference? Especially, if that person
then becomes RESA after the friend steps
down a year later, and remains there for
over a decade."
ME: Well, for promotion one needs to
become an Active Vahana (explorer) by
doing and participating in Intros or Book
Discussions or even teaching a Satsang
Class. Of course, one needs to be "trained"
and "have a solid foundation in the EK
teachings." Thus, just having an "Active"
(current & paid) ECK membership is not
enough. Eckankar is an "Outer" religion
just like all others!
"In the above instance, I was an active
member in as much that I paid my
yearly membership, wrote reports,
and went to functions when I was able.
I just wasn't in the same class as the
above mentioned people. I was a small
business owner, they were in the medical
profession by marriage. I didn't have the
money or the time they had to devote
to promoting Eckanakar. Maybe I'm all
wet about this, but I noticed after ESC
was told by this 4th that I was inactive,
other chela's kept getting their initiations,
but I never got another one. At some
point I didn't really care anymore, and
there were too many inconsistencies
about many things in the ECK community.
I have never been an ass kisser, and don't
plan to start at this point. lol"
ME: It seems that there are a lot of chiropractors,
acupuncturists, and massage therapists in
ECKankar. The former doesn't have the same
prestige (and vanity) associated with it than
the other two have. But, yes, the friends of
the RESA will be promoted faster than others
who are more spiritually advanced.
"I do know that when word gets out that
I'v left the path, I will no longer be friends
with several of the people...not by my choice,
but by theirs. Then the gossip will fly, and
all sorts of things that aren't true will be
spread about the area. Small price to pay
ME: It is true that many ECKists won't want
to associate with you. Some will be fearful
to hear the Truth, and some will see it as
being Negative. They won't want to be "infected,"
or have others (higher up) think they are in
agreement with some of your newly found
perspectives and insights. They don't want
to be Black Listed, too, on initiations.
"In short, guess I didn't play the game
very well. Of course, I never knew there
was a game when it came to one's spiritual
beliefs. Thought we were all on the same
page, and were there for spiritual growth.
Hadn't a clue that it was just like in the
business world, and the little, honest,
hardworking guy gets stepped on by
those wanting whatever place of power
was available. I don't understand the
need for power, and for causing grief
for others. Power makes for strange
ME: No, you didn't play-the-game well
at all! Catch-22! Klemp mentions in his
accounts from being locked-up, in that
Mental Institution, that he learned to
"play-the-game" (PTG) with the psychologist
in order to be released early. HK used this
same PTG technique when he worked under
DG at the ESC by maintaining a wimpy facade
to disarm Gross. Darwin needed someone
who wanted to "write" and wimpy HK was
the obvious choice. Thus, DG promoted
Klemp with even more of Higher Initiations
and was unaware of Klemp's own power
"The thing that appealed to me in the
beginning was that Eckankar was an
individual path. In a way that's BS, and
I see that now. Makes me wonder about
the many who are new to the path. When,
if ever, will they reach the point I've reached,
and will they be as confused about it as
I've been? I didn't have a clue about all
the things that have gone down until
I read some of the links on your group
home page. Blew my mind, to say the
least. So much deception, outright lies,
and corruption by those we put our trust
in. Eckankar, the path that was supposed
to be different, is no different that any other
religion. Granted, there is truth to be learned
from studying it, but then, there is truth in
all religions. We just have to discern what's
truth from what's garbage."
ME: ECKankar does start out as something
quite different from the end results! Way
back it did seem to be more "spiritual" and
an "individual path." Many of Twitchell's
plagiarized concepts were very intriguing
until one discovers that many of these were
taken from other fraudulent religions based
upon lies and myth and "tweaked" for the
Western New Age mindset.
"Did Paul just make up the number he used
as LEM to lend creadence to the ancientness
of his religion? If he made it all up, how did
he get away with the plagerism etc.?"
ME: As for the number 971 that's a puzzle,
except, Twitchell did die in the month of
September (9) and in the year 1971 (9/71)!
Ironic, that this is probably the only prophecy
that Twitchell got right, and PT didn't even
know what it really pertained to! Karma? LOL!
"Was the "new" female ECK Master also
a fabrication by HK to pacify the women
coming to the path? Seems I can remember
someone telling me many years ago that
there could never be a female because
of energies, or such."
ME: Well, according to EK Dogma there
can't be a Female LEM/Mahanta or Mahanta
in Training. However, there can be Female
12th Initiates who are ECK Masters and
are Not LEM/Mahantas. Kata Daki, otherwise,
wouldn't be called an ECK Master and listed
as a member of the Vairagi Order. Unless,
of course, she received her 12th on the
"Inner." However, even the LEM/Mahanta
has the "outer confirmation" of the 12th
"How do you clip these posts in Yahoo
so that they don't go on forever and ever?"
ME: I first highlight the text I want to "reply to"
(before replying) then go to "edit" and "copy"
it. I then "reply" and do a "delete" of the whole
text before doing a "paste" of what I "copied."
You should also do a "preview" before posting.
You might want to go back and do more "editing"
before "previewing" it again and then "sending"
the final version. Just make sure that everyone
knows who said what. -Prometheus
p.s. I had to edit and repost this so those getting
the emails will have two similar ones.
Hello Mi-li and All,
Many of those active chelas joining EK
in 1973, under Darwin, had become
7ths in the mid to late 1980's or by
1991. Many others remained 6ths.
However, most of those who have the
6th and are ESAs will be promoted to
the 7th when they become RESAs. This
is how HK maintains a reserve for the
Klemp did replace some of those, of high
rank, when the split occurred in 1984,
but then he slowed other initiations down
due to DG sending out 500 5th initiation
pink slips before leaving (late 1983?).
Unfortunately, HK's been stingy with higher
initiations above the 5th and, especially,
with any above the 7th!
What's really ironic is that those chelas
Darwin skipped initiations on or who
were only 4ths for a few months before
getting their 5ths became Klemp's RESAs!
Those 500 pink slips that DG sent out for
the 5th was no worse than giving Klemp
and Company all of their "fast tracked"
Now, however, a 5th needs to become
a Cleric (and maybe an Initiator) before
they will be eligible for the 6th, and
a 6th needs to become an ESA before
they are eligible for the 7th. Of course,
this process can vary some depending
upon the RESA but it usually takes a lot
of "training" and volunteer work (jumping
through hoops) and a lot of H.I. networking
and RESA ass kissing!
In many Satsang Societies the area H.I.s
are called by the RESA when the "Initiation
List" comes down from the ESC. They do
this to get a yea or nay, but have to explain
why they've given the nay. Thus, in many
cases it's the computer generated list based
on one's membership date and last initiation
date and the approval of local H.I.s that
determine whether or not someone will
or won't get that next initiation. Of course,
the local RESA has, mostly, the last word.
If most ECKists knew how initiations were
really done they would know that the rest
of the crap about "inner communication"
with the Mahanta was a lie as well!
FYI-One, usually, had to keep in touch
with others (H.I.s) and teach a Satsang Class
etc. in order to get recognition for promotion.
Of course, chelas needed to keep that EK
membership current too. Otherwise, one
can/will get passed over for initiation.
Keeping in touch with and on a friendly
basis with the RESA also helps with promotion.
And, one has to watch one's "language."
You cannot share other beliefs and question
or "second guess" the Mahanta. The 2012
myth or prediction is one such thing that
would raise a red flag. Many chelas who
are in rural areas, are disabled, and don't
see or talk to other ECKists on a regular
basis need to know how to play-the-game.
BTW- Maybe Klemp is waiting until 2018
to step down as LEM/Mahanta. That would
give him 36 (completed) years or Three 12
year cycles! It seems HK and his inflated ego
wants to go down in history as the biggest
and best Bullshitter in EK history... even above
Twitchell! Plus, his comments about the "in
training" versus the "full" Mahanta prevents
anyone, after him, from being seen as "high."
This is typical behaviour for a narcissist!
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