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3860Re: Hey Chela Chat: Don't Shoot the Messenger!

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  • drubezarne
    Oct 1, 2008
      Since Eckankar is one of the most secretive organizations, it's really
      hard to say how they are doing financially. We used to wonder why they
      never sent us annual statements like other religions. I heard they
      moved to Minneapolis to avoid revealing their finances because of
      California laws. All this secret money stuff should be enough of a
      clue that there's something wrong with this group.

      As for clues to how Eckankar is doing one can judge by the turn out at
      local events. For one thing, there are no youth except for a few that
      were brought up in eckankar families.

      When people try to hold events such as intro talks hardly anybody
      shows up. One H.I. from California told a story on soul forum about
      renting a hall for over 200 people for an intro talk. His group
      advertised in the papers, on the radio, and put up posters all over
      the place. When the day of the talk arrived, 3 people showed up.

      H.I.'s on soul forum complained that when they couldn't get enough new
      people to come to their events, the main office said there was
      something wrong with the way they were presenting the message.

      They even had a long drawn out discussion on soul forum trying to
      figure out why young people aren't interested in Eckankar.

      The low turnout at events, no youth, increased charges for audio and
      video broadcasts of Klemp, and the heavy handed advertising for the
      World Wide are all indicators that finances aren't what they used to be.


      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
      <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      > Hello Mish and All,
      > Eckankar sales has probably dropped
      > to about $2.5 million in annual
      > membership and seminar donations
      > worldwide. There is probably $500K
      > per year in total projected material
      > sales, but IMO this has fallen short
      > to less than $300K. Of course, there
      > are also those misc. gifted donations
      > too that add to the treasury.
      > I doubt that payroll and operating
      > expenses (insurance, etc.) and equipment
      > costs, etc. would be more than $1.5
      > million in a normal year. And, since
      > the EK church is tax exempt this helps
      > to keep the overall operating costs
      > low. Of course, this doesn't take into
      > consideration the Klemps' salaries
      > (retirement and other perks) or Peter's!
      > And, let's face it... Seminars are Not
      > money makers and this is why Regionals
      > are being cancelled. These seminars
      > deplete funds and don't bring in enough
      > new members or sell enough materials
      > to justify their existence. Before, each
      > state or foreign country was to have
      > one or two regional seminars per year!
      > There is a real cash flow problem in
      > Eckankar and this is why Klemp and
      > Company are coming up with new ideas
      > on how to bring in new money. The new
      > photo with Klemp's goofy gaze and the
      > increased costs on Internet Seminar
      > talks are just the beginning.
      > I suggested years ago that there be
      > Condos built with shops (EK businesses)
      > on the Temple grounds. Really, how much
      > would that cost? Wouldn't that be a great
      > money making tax exempt investment
      > that would benefit everyone? Why is Klemp
      > so fearful and/or stingy and has No vision
      > for a real EK community? I guess Klemp
      > wouldn't want to live near his chelas...
      > after all HK's No Rebazar... but who is!
      > Prometheus
      > mish wrote:
      > Hi, All!
      > >
      > I actually wonder why they built such
      > a garish temple when it is so little used.
      > It's kind of like a tomb with a few live
      > bodies (workers) moving around in it.
      > It just doesn't seem that the buildings
      > are well utilized to justify the expense
      > of building and maintaining the temple
      > and the other structures.
      > >
      > As to increasing costs for their merchandise,
      > that doesn't seem wise either when so many
      > chelas are struggling to maintain the status
      > quo. Well, many eckists are used to being poor
      > and doing without . . . one day, perhaps, they
      > will realize they can do without Klemp and eckankar
      > too!
      > Mish
      > >
      > etznab wrote:
      > > >
      > E.S.A.
      > > >
      > It's just a guess, but I don't know
      > what the annual income is compared
      > to other years, and relative to new
      > spending and building projects.
      > > >
      > There would have to be an annual
      > budget, I presume, just to keep
      > everything running; for upkeep
      > of the buildings and employee wages.
      > > >
      > This is what I guess, that if annual
      > donations don't remain constant, or
      > begin to fall below what is required to
      > run Eckankar annualy there would be
      > a deficit. More money would be needed,
      > somehow, someway, IMO.
      > > >
      > I can't judge what membership is
      > like today compared to years past,
      > but not every local Eck community
      > is "growing" (taking on members)
      > very fast, IMO. Some might even be
      > getting smaller.
      > > >
      > Basically I'm saying that there is
      > probably a "financial constant" for
      > the running of Eckankar annually.
      > The headquarters, at least. There
      > has probably been a relative level
      > of "constant donations" too.
      > > >
      > My guess is that the general cost
      > of things might be influenced by the
      > relationship between what is coming
      > in and what is going out. If you know
      > what I mean.
      > > >
      > Etznab
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