367Re: Klemp Distorts ......
- Aug 9 10:28 PMHi Ingrid,
We are having some fun here aren't we! I thought I'd comment some
> > >Yes, I know Eckists who have even read Confessions of a GodSeeker by Ford Johnson, and still remain as members! Actually, many
of those Eckists did Not really "read" the book... they just did a
Twitchell like skim!
> The character assessment I heard about Ford Johnson was always thesame: "He wanted more ... he had this big ego ... Well, I didn't
like him anyway ... He was angry ..." yada yada yada. I just wonder
why he was good enough to be used as a speaker at many international
seminars during such a long time ...?? And why nobody spoke up if it
was true what Eckists keep saying about him? I guess people were
blinded by his "high status"!
***Yes, if Ford was so bland or egocentric or whatever the neo nay-
sayers claim then why did Klemp (the Mahanta) have him front and
center as an International representative for Eckankar!
> > >It was more difficult for me to leave.you want to remain true to yourself, then you have to make a
> Understandable! It's quite a shock at first! But, as you say, if
decision. There are many Eckists who develop cancer or other severe
diseases, which, in my opinion, shouldn't be the case if it really
was "the one and only true way"! Of course this is because the
master himself has a severe disease (physically and mentally)and his
followers just copy him because they think that makes them more like
him (which it does, by the way, but not as they think! :-) ).
***One other disservice Klemp does for Eckists is to put down
traditional medicine. He even encouraged his one older brother to go
to Mexico for Layatril (sic) treatments for cancer. HK's brother,
however, was lucky in that he didn't listen to the advice of
> But I strongly suspect that there is another reason as well: theydon't remain true to themselves. I think that one of the reasons why
diseases develop is by not being authentic and true to ourselves any
more. Eckists who know that by remaining in Eckankar, they are going
in the wrong direction but do nothing about it, are prone to such
things in my opinion.
***Yes, and I'm sure that psycho-somatic illnesses have increased as
a result of self-fulling prophecies due to the fear induced mass
hypnosis of trying to be Co-Workers through the "as if" thinking
that they are taking on Karma for the Mahanta!
> > > Strange, though, that Spirit guided me to Eckankar in thefirst place. I guess I needed the "eckperience" in order to learn
the difference between truth and deception, and to meet certain
individuals for karmic reasons as well... or not!
> We have become a lot wiser since for sure!***And, we continue our learning through Our freedom!
> > >My doubts started long ago, but I always rationalized bythinking that I didn't know as much as the H.I.s, and that
eventually I would have a break through in higher awareness.
> Sounds VERY familiar to me! :-) I was the same way!***Sometimes I now look back and see how "irrational" I was! I had
to talk myself into thinking I was doing the right thing at times. I
was very stubborn even with mySelf!
> > >It was the "just Be" concept and those like it that always gaveme hope. Of course those Higher Initiations were awfully enticing
too! They really impressed me for quite awhile.
> When my husband became HI, he kept telling me that there wasnothing new - just more rules and guidelines! He was thinking that
by being an HI, one should have realized a lot of principles within
oneself, so that there was no need for so many outer rules any more!
***Yes, this is true! Some of the illnesses that H.I.s have comes
from the stress of being in a leadership position and the
expectations of the hierarchy! More and more is expected if there
are to be more initiations!
> > >However, the more that I watched and listened tothese "leaders" the more that I noticed strange behavior. I even
heard the same words and jargon repeated over and over, but saw no
true substance behind the facade and attempts at real caring or
friendliness. Of course, there were always exceptions to the rule
and this gave me hope.
> Me, too! But I think it's just that there are some great peopleout there - so there must be some in Eckankar, too!
***Yes, if one is too trusting (naive) they will be fooled more
easily. But, even the best of us can be conned at any given time!
There are just too many scams to keep track of it would seem.
> > >Some of my wilder experiences were before I joined Eckankar,but I have had even more "interesting" experiences since leaving
> Yes, exactly!***Spiritual experiences now just seem more real and explainable
without a mahanta to second guess Me!
> > >I had a friend that only had experiences of knowingness, and Isometimes envied her. However, since she is still in Eckankar and is
even afraid to read "Confessions" (too Kal for the Mahanta to
protect her?) I now see that her "knowingness" is limited by her
> That is true - of what use is knowingness if you don't know toexpand it accordingly and ask yourself the "right" questions?!
***Yes, and this fear that Eckists have of Ford's book is rather
strange and contradicts the dogma of Mahanta protection. Or, do they
see the reading of this book in the same way as smoking or drinking
is seen? However, I don't believe that reading it would be in
violation of the Four Zoas!
> > >And, why throw all that away along with all of those years ofservice, and initiations for the sake of truth?
> I know a great guy, an HI which I appreciated (and stillappreciate, in spite of everything) who told me in earnest that the
difference between Eckankar and Christianity was that Eckists all
are standing in line to become the next mahanta and LEM! I could not
believe it! I asked him if he knew how many years each Eckist would
have to wait for that, and that spiritual development for each of us
was much faster than that! He stopped writing me after that one. :-))
***Actually, women can't become the LEM/Mahanta and it looks like
only a few males can within a normal lifetime! So, in a way this is
like the Catholic Church and the Pope while the Cardinals would be
those (male) 7th and 8th initiates positioning themselves like the
Klumpster did! I think that most Eckists are more concerned with
achieving God Realization, if they can only act nutty enough!
> > >Yes, some of these people were into other weird things asEckists! I heard an Eckist talk of using Rune stones, in a rountable
> The new topic is sun gazing, and it's even promoted by formerEckists! Well, you can do that if you are interested in it, and I'm
sure that there will be some results if you try hard enough, but
that's not my personal favorite pastime. :-))
***Yes, some people are extremely gullible and foolish! I wonder if
this person has tried this technique? Perhaps it would increase
their brain activity and capacity to equal Twitch's... their hero!
If this method is valid then those starving to death in sunny
countries can be taught this technique and survive! But, it hasn't
been promoted and taught there has it? That's because it's a scam
and NASA states that they aren't involved with this as advertised on
the scam site. So, what can I say... except that some people will
never learn. Anyone who follows them is as blind as they are! And,
if one does do this sun gazing they might literally become blind!
Why should I believe a con-man that sun gazing is safe!
> > >I even wrote to Klemp, many years ago, telling him of theneed for more guidelines and leadership trainings. I was amazed to
finally see the H.I. Leadership book come out in 2001. It only took
Klump 20 years to write the first complete book!
> But as far as I know that book was compiled from letters to theresas over a long time! I couldn't figure out why the heck somebody
wanted to train lowly initiates by using letters to resas!! I guess
he just couldn't get together a whole new book, and as we well know
all of the most recent books are a rehash of things that were
***True, much of it was from RESA talks, meetings, and letters. Yes
Klemp does drag his feet and for a "prophet" he can't see the hand
writing on the wall! He just wasn't getting info to the chelas in an
organized "same page" like manner through his RESAs. The whole "Eck"
organization is screwed up and will just get worse as more demands
and controls are exerted.
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