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3660Re: Digest Number 1154--HK humiliating Joan

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  • mishmisha9
    Aug 6, 2008
      Thanks for this first hand account of HK's cruel remarks
      directed at Joan on stage at the EWWS! I had heard about
      this, but not as good of an account of HK's nasty words to
      and about his wife . . . in front of the large audience of
      chelas. I sort of feel sorry for Joan to be treated like that . . .
      I'd have my husband's head on a platter if he embarrassed
      and humiliated me like that!

      Liska, in one of your other posts, you pointed out how HK
      might be a narcissist--he's either that or just plain nuts or
      maybe some of both? Putting others down to advance oneself
      is one of the behaviors of a narcissist--HK, while allowing
      Joan to share the stage with him for a few minutes, was
      definitely keeping her in her place and controlling her. We
      have discussed thelikelihood of Joan being positioned as co-l.e.m.
      so that HK can hold onto the seat of power longer. . . lots of
      discussions regarding this are in the archived messages--check
      out messages beginning in Jan. 2006. I have pointed out how HK
      was paving the way for Joan in obvious in what he wrote in "Those
      Wonderful ECK Masters"--that book was multipurpose.

      Now, I'm looking forward to the next EWWS--to see if Joan
      will indeed be back on stage with HK . . . one thing about
      narcissists, they don't stop until they accomplish what they set
      out to do. They do not like to be thwarted or their sneaky
      intentions "read."


      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "drubezarne" <drubezarne@...>
      > Sharon:
      > To the best of my recollection, Joan Klemp sang some song and kept
      > repeating the same refrain over and over while waving to the audience
      > to sing along. It all got very tedious and tiresome after a while and
      > we wondered when is she going to stop. Finally, even Harold had enough
      > and he whispered something to her and she stopped. Then he joked how
      > he had warned her that once you get on stage you're hooked.
      > He then announced her song was not going to replace the Hu chant. He
      > tried to make a joke by saying that sometimes he can't get her to shut
      > up. He said that's when he wants to use the Russian saying, "Put your
      > teeth together!" The audience laughed, although it seemed that some
      > uneasy laughter stemmed from the embarrassment of Joan's humiliation.
      > Joan just walked off the stage.
      > I tell you, his talk was nothing but stories from eckists. He didn't
      > even bother interpreting them. At the end of his talk, he just
      > restated the stories. For example, he said, "And I told you the story
      > of Cindy and her parrot, then there was Motsie the cat who jumped into
      > Debbie's lap every night to remind her to Hu, I told you about Dan's
      > car breaking down, and so on...
      > Oh, and he did start out with a joke he heard from Click and Clack,
      > the car talk guys. The joke was good, but not worth the price of the
      > seminar.
      > Regards
      > Liska
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Sharon
      > <brighttigress@> wrote:
      > >
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      > > >
      > > > 5. Lust - Maybe someone else can take over here.
      > > >
      > >
      > > <snicker> Well, I'd say look to MN for good examples of lust!!
      > Both Klemp and bigwig cult attorney Doug Kunin had sleazy affairs with
      > girls in the office, and dumped their wives & children to marry their
      > mistresses.
      > >
      > > What happened to Maybury's Laws? Don't remember verbatim, but
      > wasn't one something about doing all you have promised to do, and the
      > second to respect other people's property?
      > >
      > > And let us not forget Twitchell, who died in bed at a seminar with a
      > young Mrs. Anya Foos - while Gail was off "camping in the mountains"
      > with 2nd initiate Darwin Gross!!
      > >
      > > Which reminds me - Prometheus, I've been looking for something which
      > may have been in the Mystic World in the late 80's or early 90's,
      > perhaps in his letter on the last page, definitely "members-only"
      > stuff. He tells eckists to cut out the bed-hopping at seminars
      > because it didn't look good to potential new members, who'd think it
      > was Club Med or something. This really stuck in my mind because I'd
      > worked in hotel group sales and Club Med was a major pain-in-the-butt,
      > always wanting prime dates at rock-bottom prices, and everything you
      > can think of thrown in free. The hotel I worked for didn't need their
      > business, so I really don't know personally how they "behaved".
      > >
      > > If you come across this one, would you email me the source? All my
      > stuff's in storage. I've got a short list of several people who've
      > been asking me about this one for many years.
      > >
      > > Also, what specifically did Klemp say about Joanie in his talk?
      > Does anyone have a transcript? I used to know an HI stenographer
      > who'd transcribe & distribute it even though cult headquarters does
      > *not* permit that - they have to do a lot of editing for the book
      > versions, I suspect.
      > >
      > > Another transcript I'd love to see is from a few years back, I
      > believe it was the first online talk where "someone" distributed the
      > name & password to anyone who wanted to hear it free. I started
      > listening to it, and Klemp sounded confused, maybe drugged, rambling
      > about suicide, I didn't even bother listening to the whole thing.
      > >
      > > Darn, while I was here there was something else I wanted to say or
      > ask, but I've forgotten it!
      > >
      > > Hope everyone's enjoying summer!
      > >
      > > Hugs,
      > >
      > > Sharon
      > >
      > > PS - Wow, quite a list of links you've got there!! Mine over at ET
      > need a lot of work. Anyway, just wanted to mention, if you'd like to
      > copy anything from ET's "files" to put here, help yourself - I noticed
      > you've got the link to the short version of Gunnar's excellent
      > critique, and one of these days I've got to move the long version from
      > ET's files to a more easily accessible website. Same with the
      > "Raphael" material. Both helped me immensely when I was waking up &
      > getting out.
      > >
      > > When *will* I get back to work? <gg>
      > >
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      > >
      > > ******************************************************************
      > > Don't be deceived by a seemingly innocent program on "Spiritual
      > Dreams" or "Past Lives" at your local library or community center!
      > It's one of many ways Eckankar and other cults recruit new members.
      > Learn the truth before you sign over your mind, heart, soul, and life
      > insurance!! See a short intro video at:
      > http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJqkK_JDnzc and check out the links at
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth
      > > *******************************************************************
      > >
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