3660Re: Digest Number 1154--HK humiliating Joan
- Aug 6, 2008Thanks for this first hand account of HK's cruel remarks
directed at Joan on stage at the EWWS! I had heard about
this, but not as good of an account of HK's nasty words to
and about his wife . . . in front of the large audience of
chelas. I sort of feel sorry for Joan to be treated like that . . .
I'd have my husband's head on a platter if he embarrassed
and humiliated me like that!
Liska, in one of your other posts, you pointed out how HK
might be a narcissist--he's either that or just plain nuts or
maybe some of both? Putting others down to advance oneself
is one of the behaviors of a narcissist--HK, while allowing
Joan to share the stage with him for a few minutes, was
definitely keeping her in her place and controlling her. We
have discussed thelikelihood of Joan being positioned as co-l.e.m.
so that HK can hold onto the seat of power longer. . . lots of
discussions regarding this are in the archived messages--check
out messages beginning in Jan. 2006. I have pointed out how HK
was paving the way for Joan in obvious in what he wrote in "Those
Wonderful ECK Masters"--that book was multipurpose.
Now, I'm looking forward to the next EWWS--to see if Joan
will indeed be back on stage with HK . . . one thing about
narcissists, they don't stop until they accomplish what they set
out to do. They do not like to be thwarted or their sneaky
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "drubezarne" <drubezarne@...>
> To the best of my recollection, Joan Klemp sang some song and kept
> repeating the same refrain over and over while waving to the audience
> to sing along. It all got very tedious and tiresome after a while and
> we wondered when is she going to stop. Finally, even Harold had enough
> and he whispered something to her and she stopped. Then he joked how
> he had warned her that once you get on stage you're hooked.
> He then announced her song was not going to replace the Hu chant. He
> tried to make a joke by saying that sometimes he can't get her to shut
> up. He said that's when he wants to use the Russian saying, "Put your
> teeth together!" The audience laughed, although it seemed that some
> uneasy laughter stemmed from the embarrassment of Joan's humiliation.
> Joan just walked off the stage.
> I tell you, his talk was nothing but stories from eckists. He didn't
> even bother interpreting them. At the end of his talk, he just
> restated the stories. For example, he said, "And I told you the story
> of Cindy and her parrot, then there was Motsie the cat who jumped into
> Debbie's lap every night to remind her to Hu, I told you about Dan's
> car breaking down, and so on...
> Oh, and he did start out with a joke he heard from Click and Clack,
> the car talk guys. The joke was good, but not worth the price of the
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Sharon
> <brighttigress@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 5. Lust - Maybe someone else can take over here.
> > >
> > <snicker> Well, I'd say look to MN for good examples of lust!!
> Both Klemp and bigwig cult attorney Doug Kunin had sleazy affairs with
> girls in the office, and dumped their wives & children to marry their
> > What happened to Maybury's Laws? Don't remember verbatim, but
> wasn't one something about doing all you have promised to do, and the
> second to respect other people's property?
> > And let us not forget Twitchell, who died in bed at a seminar with a
> young Mrs. Anya Foos - while Gail was off "camping in the mountains"
> with 2nd initiate Darwin Gross!!
> > Which reminds me - Prometheus, I've been looking for something which
> may have been in the Mystic World in the late 80's or early 90's,
> perhaps in his letter on the last page, definitely "members-only"
> stuff. He tells eckists to cut out the bed-hopping at seminars
> because it didn't look good to potential new members, who'd think it
> was Club Med or something. This really stuck in my mind because I'd
> worked in hotel group sales and Club Med was a major pain-in-the-butt,
> always wanting prime dates at rock-bottom prices, and everything you
> can think of thrown in free. The hotel I worked for didn't need their
> business, so I really don't know personally how they "behaved".
> > If you come across this one, would you email me the source? All my
> stuff's in storage. I've got a short list of several people who've
> been asking me about this one for many years.
> > Also, what specifically did Klemp say about Joanie in his talk?
> Does anyone have a transcript? I used to know an HI stenographer
> who'd transcribe & distribute it even though cult headquarters does
> *not* permit that - they have to do a lot of editing for the book
> versions, I suspect.
> > Another transcript I'd love to see is from a few years back, I
> believe it was the first online talk where "someone" distributed the
> name & password to anyone who wanted to hear it free. I started
> listening to it, and Klemp sounded confused, maybe drugged, rambling
> about suicide, I didn't even bother listening to the whole thing.
> > Darn, while I was here there was something else I wanted to say or
> ask, but I've forgotten it!
> > Hope everyone's enjoying summer!
> > Hugs,
> > Sharon
> > PS - Wow, quite a list of links you've got there!! Mine over at ET
> need a lot of work. Anyway, just wanted to mention, if you'd like to
> copy anything from ET's "files" to put here, help yourself - I noticed
> you've got the link to the short version of Gunnar's excellent
> critique, and one of these days I've got to move the long version from
> ET's files to a more easily accessible website. Same with the
> "Raphael" material. Both helped me immensely when I was waking up &
> getting out.
> > When *will* I get back to work? <gg>
> > ******************************************************************
> > Don't be deceived by a seemingly innocent program on "Spiritual
> Dreams" or "Past Lives" at your local library or community center!
> It's one of many ways Eckankar and other cults recruit new members.
> Learn the truth before you sign over your mind, heart, soul, and life
> insurance!! See a short intro video at:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJqkK_JDnzc and check out the links at
> > *******************************************************************
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