357Re: Klemp Distorts ......
- Aug 8, 2005Hi Ingrid,
I thought I'd make a few more comments to what you have replied.
> I have made some great experiences in this field during the lastyear. I met those who wouldn't budge no matter which facts I
presented them. Naive as I was after having left, I thought that
anyone facing the facts would see what I was seeing and just leave -
but no! I was amazed at the reactions, and angry as well. Now I can
take that much better than before and just let them be where they
***Yes, I know Eckists who have even read Confessions of a God
Seeker by Ford Johnson, and still remain as members! Actually, many
of those Eckists did Not really "read" the book... they just did a
Twitchell like skim! They were too afraid to do a slow read and
contemplate on the information. This is what also makes them angry.
They are afraid that former Eckists are right! None of them want to
return to square one! Eckists are too comfortable in their delusions
and want to remain in their own private little Sound Proof Dark
Room. As above (with Klemp) so below (with the rank and file)!
> And I have met people who had already questions & doubts, andafter discussing them in our newsgroup, they just left without
blinking an eye. Those were the great experiences.
***It was more difficult for me to leave. At first, I didn't want to
believe what was in front of me, but I really had no choice if I
wanted to remain true to myself! That has always been an important
factor in being a truth seeker... and truth is so very elusive!
However, lucky for me that I have usually recognized an inner
guidance when It has presented Itself to me when making crucial
decisions. Strange, though, that Spirit guided me to Eckankar in the
first place. I guess I needed the "eckperience" in order to learn
the difference between truth and deception, and to meet certain
individuals for karmic reasons as well... or not!
> It is, indeed! And it's fascinating to look back and see when thedoubts started and for how long I still lasted before leaving.
***My doubts started long ago, but I always rationalized by thinking
that I didn't know as much as the H.I.s, and that eventually I would
have a break through in higher awareness. It was the "just Be"
concept and those like it that always gave me hope. Of course those
Higher Initiations were awfully enticing too! They really impressed
me for quite awhile. However, the more that I watched and listened
to these "leaders" the more that I noticed strange behavior. I even
heard the same words and jargon repeated over and over, but saw no
true substance behind the facade and attempts at real caring or
friendliness. Of course, there were always exceptions to the rule
and this gave me hope. But, it also pointed out that the initiations
were not earned though higher consciousness. And, acting "as if" you
are what you imagine yourself to be is a key step (delusion) to
becoming a loyal chela, and with time as a paid and always current
member... to those higher initiations. <LOL>
> Eckankar did and does a good job in misleading the seekers. Oncewe start to believe, it seems we can be told anything for a certain
amount of time! I didn't have inner experiences either - well, at
the beginning I did have some. But then, they faded more and more. I
have always been more the type to be guided by inner knowing. This
was so before and after Eckankar, and also while I was a member. I
wake up in the morning and know what needs to be done and which
decision I need to take.
***I usually had the spectacular "inner" experiences, but I did also
have the ones of "knowingness" too! Some of my wilder experiences
were before I joined Eckankar, but I have had even
more "interesting" experiences since leaving Eckankar! I had a
friend that only had experiences of knowingness, and I sometimes
envied her. However, since she is still in Eckankar and is even
afraid to read "Confessions" (too Kal for the Mahanta to protect
her?) I now see that her "knowingness" is limited by her fears!
> I think that this is a pattern that sunk in deeply. Many Eckistsare that way - it's in the teachings.
***Eckists are members of a private club! They feel privileged
(vain) that they have all of that loving guidance and protection and
that they are so advanced spiritually! <so sad> Once an Eckist buys
into this crap for 25-35 years one doesn't want to know the truth!
The truth about Eckankar is a hinderance for obtaining those higher
initiations, local and state positions, and speaking engagements at
regional and major seminars! This is because some Eckists just like
being the center of attention! And, why throw all that away along
with all of those years of service, and initiations for the sake of
truth? I was going to mention the donations of money, but much of
that was tax deductible anyway!
> Amazing indeed. But Eckankar does not teach those things. Justdon't question and accept everything an authority tells you! The
longer you were in Eckankar, the more this principle could do its
damage, and so it's not a real surprise for me that some of those
who left don't have any discriminations and lack a lot of common
sense! Quite natural when you think how we all were brainwashed!
***Yes, some of these people were into other weird things as
Eckists! I heard an Eckist talk of using Rune stones, in a Rountable
Discussion, and was surprised that she wasn't asked to explain how
that fit in with the Eckankar teachings. I wouldn't, as an ESA, have
let that information go by so passively. So, as you can see, I was a
good soldier who followed guidelines and was brain-washed to know
the Mahanta's mission. But, it was tough being in the field of
action. I even wrote to Klemp, many years ago, telling him of the
need for more guidelines and leadership trainings. I was amazed to
finally see the H.I. Leadership book come out in 2001. It only took
Klump 20 years to write the first complete book! The even funnier
thing is that many Eckists are both stubborn and individualistic,
and don't follow or believe in guidelines!
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