3560Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Women Eckmasters... Now or Never Were???
- Jul 4, 2008
Will klemp collect social security as a man or eck master?
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Women Eckmasters... Now or Never Were???
Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 11:08 AM
I think Mish explained Klemp's slight of hand tactics
rather well! Yes, in 2005 when Those Wonderful EK
Masters was written Klemp talked about being around
for another (12 year) cycle. Therefore, Klemp is planning
to stay for Three 12 year cycles, or 36 years. So, HK's
reign is to be from 1981-2017! Or, would that be 2018!
Klemp was 39 years old (1942) when DG made him the
LEM. Klemp is 66 years old now, as is, his first wife and
8th initiate Marge. I think Gail (who "made" Darwin) is
67 years old and Joan is still 65. Anyway, Klemp doesn't
want to let go of all his powers (as Mahanta) until he is
75 or 76 years old! This is Why HK needs Joan to help
him with the running of the org.
Therefore, Klemp needs to pave the way for Joan becoming
the next LEM or Co-LEM. For Klemp to say that there is
no one ready after 27 years is a lie! Besides, some of these
ECKists have been members as long as he has, thus, they
have been "in training" for 40 years! Anyway, this is why
Klemp is placing Joan on the same level with Kata Daki (KD).
Even Kata Daki is a fake EK Master and was created 9 years
after Twitchell's sister's (Kay-Dee) death. Anyway, this is
what the older H.I.s have to look forward to. Eventually,
(by 2017 or 2018) someone, Marge and Harold's daughter's
age, will become the next Emperor of Eckankar.
On another note:
As far as when Twitchell first created and spoke of Rebazar?
I think PT probably created RT around 1955. This was when
Kirpal Singh first came to the U.S. and this was when Twitchell
was initiated by Kirpal. PT had been writing fiction, plagiarizing,
exaggerating (to extremes at times) and using name and word
substitution in his articles from almost day one! IMO Twit simply
used Kirpal's status and example and Ruhani Satsang dogma
to form the basis for his fictional character of (master) Rebazar
I read somewhere that there couldn't be any women
eck masters (something to do with energies. I think ego .)
ANd now they are comming up with kata daki. And Joan
Klemps role (maybe they roll in bed). Funny how they
are changing their tune now. Whatever happened to Grahm ????
who was kicked out and ford johnson had him write his
experiences in a book?
"Note that nothing is mentioned here about the Masculine Principle
that was taught in the earlier eck teachings as a prerequisite
to becoming an eck master, or that Vairagi Adepts are only 'just
men.' Klemp is opening the door for female leadership, but of
course, that would be Joan and only Joan. He might even have
reflected back on the messy position in choosing PT's successor,
as to how much easier it would have been if Gail had had some
official authority as an eck master instead of using a dream
by a lover and future wife of Darwin Gross as justification! This
brought into question the authority and validity of Gross as LEM
and his authority to pass his title and powers on to Klemp."
"Doing research about Eckankar
history for educational purposes
I am attempting to clarify some
Primarily, When did Paul and
Gail get married? (I assume 1964,
but not certain of day and month)
And, when did Rebazar Tarzs first
appear in print.
I'd asked "these" questions on
A.R.E., but so far no response.
Do you have the date someplace
in your archives for when Paul and
Gail were married? Want to hazard
a guess when the name Rebazar Tarzs
first appeared in print?"
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