348Re: Klemp Distorts ......
- Aug 7, 2005Hello Christel,
> o, yes, so it is. one needs a living master---- no, only a teacher.It's true that one needs only a teacher, and only if we wish to have
one! It's our decision.
> I talk - to the W.N. in june - that the living master hat nolittle
> love to show to 'the few', who leave ekankar. he shows theeckist's,
> how to see those, who left (in the W.N). I noticed, that Icouldn't
> accept an inner master, but surely an outer, in his writing f.e.heart,
> oh no, I also become the answer: in religions, there is the
> but not the mind decisive.Such a typical answer in Eckankar - if you question writings, such
as the last wisdom notes in your case, then the answer is pretty
often "you are in the mind, you need to go within to find the answer
for you". 'Mind' has become a real 'no-no' word in Eckankar.
> in my case, the mind would mine, to staymy
> in eckankar, Hu-chant, satsang with very lovely persons - but, in
> heart, no, it couldn't be, because, the mahanta was only an outerWell, it's pretty obvious that your heart is right here. It's true
> master, if at all, for me.
that sometimes it's hard to give up the group, the people we have
come to like over the years. But that's, as you point out (I believe
I have understood correctly), only the mind. The heart says
something entirely different!
> but, the HI, I talked: no word, that hk point of the eckists, towhat
> devalue these, who go an other way. it's not possible, that all
> I was wroting - it is not worth, to say any word to my opinion...to
> and it is so depressing, that there are total blocking, no hearing
> my open words, to awake hearing, understanding. I didn't except:Yes, it's difficult for them to accept that there's another "truth"
> accepting!!! but eventually reading about issues together.
out there than theirs. So, it's often easier to devaluate the
messenger (you in that case) than to admit that something's not
quite right with the teachings and, especially, with the master.
Discussion is not possible because this would be of the kal.
> what are this writing here? I think, the most of eckists are notwhere
> able, to be offen, they aren't ready, to hear other opinions,
> ever they come from. they only answers in eck-sentences. they arenot
> able, to try coming in the thougts of others, isn't so?behind
> oh, it is sorry for me. no discussion, when I told my leaving
> eckankar.Yes, that's a pity indeed. I think all we can do with those who
can't accept us as we are - accept them as they are. I know that
this is easier said than done. I have learned quite a lot about this
during the last year. Soon, it will be a year that I left! Hooray! :-
> the same we could learn in the ddr, there, these, whoI have found out that it's pretty much the same mechanism in
> wasn't able to agree, those are no-man!
oppressing countries like the German Democratic Republic - you can't
speak your mind, and if you do, this has serious consequences.
Fortunately, Eckankar isn't quite like that - but you get devaluated
for sure, and opinions of ex-members or members with serious doubts
don't count at all.
> my experience, is it compatible to others???Oh, yes!!! For sure!! I have seen pretty much the same thing, and I
didn't really dare to ask too many questions. Fortunately, I could
discuss those issues with my husband, so I wasn't all alone.
> sorry, my english - but I hope, perhabs, you could understand,what
> I'm meaning.I think you made yourself quite clear! If there's something you feel
I didn't understand correctly, just tell me. I'm happy you posted!
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