3334Re: The Telephone Game
- Apr 28, 2008Hello, Jivat, Etznab and All!
First, Jivat (hope you don't mind I've shortened your name), welcome
to ESA. I've enjoyed your posts. And Etznab, nice that you share so
much of your research and thoughts here. : )
I guess one could say there is nothing new under the sun in
regards to religions, the old and the "new!" The interesting thing
that we need to remember is that for a con to work or for a leader
to gain a following, truth and fiction have to be mixed. Many
people will look for truth to validate what is being sold. The
mistake is believing that finding a kernal of truth in a religious
teaching makes it valid or truthful in all portions of it. Or that
the obvious duplicity is okay because that one kernal of truth
is more important than all the lies. This IMO is flawed rationale!
I think the best thing to happen to eckankar is Harold Klemp. He
is such a ridiculous head of church that Saturday Night Live could
create some good skits, or even better, just imagine what Steven
Cobert would do with this self-proclaimed godman, "the highest
consciousness known to mankind" delusional fool! LOL! It sure is
fun to poke fun at him, isn't it? And doesn't Klemp make eckankar
look dumb and silly??
Anyway, why do we need religion? Why do we cluster in groups
trying to find a stairway to heaven? I suppose much of it has to
do with the fear of the unknown and the safety in numbers. For
the con men like Klemp, there is the need to be important and the
need to control other people and to feed off their money and
I'm reading an interesting book called "Under the Banner of Heaven"
by Jon Krakauer. It is about the extreme religious beliefs of fundamental
Mormons and how it has evolved to present day. I probably shouldn't
use the word "evolve" because evolution really speaks of advancement
through the ages. Fundamentalism stays in the dark ages and refuses
to grow and improve beyond growing in membership.
I'm waiting for Klemp's next book--I so enjoyed reading "Those
Wonderful ECK Masters," published in 2005. Seems that Klemp is
slow writing these days--is he lazy or befuddled as to how to
continue his lies and schemes?? I'm sure he is still wanting to put
Joan up there as Co-L.E.M. I'd almost bet he's hell bent on doing so
because he has to prove that he can do it and not be thwarted by
critical thinking individuals who can see through his cons! LOL!
With eckankar under Klemp the con has evolved while individual
spirituality has stagnated! Too bad, so sad! : )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "jivatmananda"
> > Is this why ancient history is in such shambles? And
> > comes in countless versions? Because it's easier to go
> > and copy something already existing than it is to discover
> > the actual truth about history for oneself? Is this why so
> > many people boo-hoo recorded history as worthy of study,
> > but gravitate to legend, mystery and myth instead? The
> > latter is truth mixed with untruth, which is easier to write?
> Do you remember playing the telephone game when you were a child?
> The game works like this. You get a group of people in line, one
> person at one end whispers a sentence and from that pint the message
> is whispered down the line. The hilarity ensues when last person
> states the message and it turns out is completely different from
> what the person said. The telephone game shows information gets
> changes through multiple parties.
> I guess all these legends evolved the same way. Maybe there was an
> element of truth in these stories about Atlantis, but it got so
> diluted that these legends no longer have any historical value.
> It's no better than tales such as Cindarella or Snow White and the
> Seven Dwarfs.
> All these Kali Yuga tales originate from the Indian mythology and
> Eckankar didn't invent anything. It was just another player in a long
> telephone game.
> All established religions followed pretty much the same pattern
> since the beginning of recorded history, so there is definitely not
> anything new under the Sun. The Roman Empire borrowed the Greek
> mythology while merely renaming the divinities. The Christian
> religion borrowed symbols and beliefs from pagan religions.
> I guess the same game will continue in the next centuries and
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