3299Re: HK the "Powerful" LEM/Mahanta Can't Even Control Weather!
- Apr 2, 2008It would seem that obstacles like bad weather which obviously
are beyond Klemp's ability to control (he can only control gullible
followers, btw) would be a wake up for these chelas--that
they shouldn't be taken in by the eckankar scam. I'd be
re-thinking the "need" to trek up to Minneapolis and would
be thinking some place warm and sunny more conducive to
relaxing and doing contemplations . . . not to mention having
some fun, too! : )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> One has to wonder What good is Klemp when it comes
> to Real World (object) Results? Of course, if the weather
> (for the EK Springtime Seminar) would have been nice and
> sunny HK would have taken credit for that too! But it wasn't
> so Why Not? If HK embodies the full force of the Light and
> Sound then Why are there only trivial and isolated incidences
> reported and by ECKists and by those they have influenced?
> Testimonials are a dime a dozen in any religion... Why is
> Eckankar any different? ECKists should think about that!
> Klemp has fun in making things up just as Twit did, thus,
> I'm rather surprised he didn't come up with an excuse that
> the Negative weather was just a reflection of our negative
> and stressful world... which is (actually) good because this,
> too, is a spiritual challenge. Catch-22!
> It's all good! And, HK takes credit for it all without delivering
> anything... it's all imaginary and wishful thinking which results
> in the believer's mind producing its own vicious cycles of active
> So, once again, Why 6 inches of snow for the EK Springtime Seminar
> when Klemp is supposed to be greater than the 4th Plane "God"
> that other religions worship?
> prometheus wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > Yes, it true! Eckankar's all powerful LEM/Mahanta couldn't
> > prevent SNOW during their Springtime Seminar! Klemp via
> > the definition for LEM/Mahanta in his EK Lexicon and in the
> > EK Holy Shariyats claims to be "all powerful," but it's all talk!
> > Now ECKists can visualize and imagine visitations and think
> > that they are more special than other people via nudges, etc.
> > but other people who are former or non-ECKists experience
> > nudges from Soul/Spirit too!
> > But let's look at another more objective reality. Let's look at
> > what Klemp "claims" that he is able to do versus what he can
> > "actually" do. We know that HK Can't really "protect" his chelas
> > because these chelas Wouldn't Be Dying from cancer IF HK's
> > "special" abilities were true!
> > The Shariyat states the following concerning the 4th Circle:
> > "... the growth of consciousness is frequently accomplished
> > by certain mental distresses, and also by physical illnesses.
> > The latter indicates that, with mental changes, deep-seated
> > and lingering remains of old illnesses will come to the surface
> > and be passed off. The body slowly adapts itself to the new
> > mental state."
> > So, if this is true then Why can't Klemp protect his H.I.s,
> > or himself from "physical illnesses?"
> > BTW- Klemp recently stated that 8ths were on the "threshold"
> > to "Spiritual-Realization" and the Shariyat states, those of
> > the 5th Circle, are 'dwellers on the threshold.'
> > Can the Mahanta Control the psychic and material worlds
> > or Not?! Where is the proof and where are the prophecies?
> > If Klemp can't change the weather then why didn't he, last
> > year, reschedule the Springtime Seminar for the week AFTER
> > Easter? Why have the Seminar that early anyway? Why not have
> > it on the 4th of July weekend? The reason the Seminar is held
> > then is because it is Easter weekend and ECKists from around
> > the world use these Christian Holy Days to get off work, to travel,
> > and to attend this EK Springtime Seminar. Isn't that strange to
> > use another's Religious Holy Days that way! Why Not use a Secular
> > Holiday? I guess because HK needs an almost worldwide holiday
> > to use for Eckankar.
> > How many inches of snow did they get in Chanhassen for that
> > Temple Tour? Six! Way to go Harry... you're not much help at
> > even the simple things like nice weather for a few days! Pitiful!
> > Prometheus
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