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3294Re: 972nd LEM Translates and Klemp Doesn't Mention It!

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  • prometheus_973
    Mar 30, 2008
      Hi All,
      Note the EK Members Only user names and passwords
      for the Eckankar.org site (listed below).

      prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Yes, Darwin will be missed by many ECKists. In 10 years
      > (1971-1981) he handed out more Higher Initiations than
      > Klemp has in 27 years! With Darwin, in charge, ECKists
      > could even skip initiations! I know of a RESA who got their
      > 4th and 5th in the same year under Darwin!
      >
      > I heard that one ECKist stated that Darwin had entered
      > the "Sayodiyam," [EK Lexicon, pg. 185] except, DG was
      > already a Mahanta, or at least of the 13th Circle after 10
      > years as LEM (by Eckankar standards) and therefore, beyond
      > the 12th God-Realized state of Consciousness. Darwin himself
      > had said he was still a member of the "Bourchakoun" and
      > Klemp could Not kick him out! This membership is on a
      > Higher Level than the KAL has authority over. [EK Lexicon, pg. 23]
      > Also, the 13th Circle AND the 14th Circle are states of the
      > Mahanta Consciousness and cannot even be described...
      > check it out in the Shariyat 2, Chapter 12.
      >
      > Interesting, too, that another ECKist on Chela-Chat or
      > HU-Chat said that they saw Darwin on the "inner" 3 times
      > around March 8th and knew that he had translated. Why
      > didn't Klemp know? How many ECKists will now start to
      > Second Guess Klemp in order to make excuses for him and his
      > Lack of Higher Consciousness. Klemp knows nothing about
      > Forgiveness and Compassion, or else he would have said
      > something nice about Darwin! Klemp is totally clueless!
      >
      > *******************************************************
      >
      > BTW- For ECKANKAR.org Members Only Entry:
      >
      > user name-march2008
      > password-translation
      >
      > For H.I. Only Info:
      >
      > user name-march2008
      > password-vacation
      >
      > So, did Darwin decide to take a "vacation" via his "translation?"
      >
      > ********************************************************
      >
      > > prometheus wrote:
      > > >
      > > Did Klemp mention the translation of the 972nd LEM
      > > at the EK Springtime Seminar? I didn't hear of it being
      > > mentioned.
      > > >
      > > Did Klemp even know of Darwin's translation?
      > > Shouldn't the Mahanta/LEM have "known" when Darwin died?
      > > The fact that HK didn't know shows that Klemp is No Master!
      > > >
      > > Or, is it that Klemp didn't mention DG's death because
      > > he lacks true Compassion and Love? I'll bet Klemp was
      > > still holding a grudge and still can't let go of his anger!
      > > >
      > > Either way it shows that Klemp comes up lacking even average
      > > qualities of consciousness let alone those "higher" standards of
      > > a Master! This is more proof that Klemp is a phony and has no
      > > right to claim that he is The Great Master of all Masters! Bullsh_t!
      > > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      > > Mish:
      > > Some more information on Darwin Gross--
      > > Darwin Gross, born January 3, 1928; died March 8, 2008,
      > > making him 80 years old when he passed:
      > >
      > > Author: Michael Turner
      > > Published on: February 25, 1999
      > > The SONIC SPECTRUM
      > > (c) October 1996
      > > STELLA BLUE:
      > > A LOOK AT SRI DARWIN GROSS [Part 1 and 2 united - Aldarow]
      > > - by Michael Turner
      > >
      > > (excerpt)
      > > Sri Darwin was born in Denhoff, North Dakota, on January 3, 1928,
      > > to Paul and Adina Gross. He had four siblings, Adeline, Harry James
      > > (Jim), Ruby and Donald. According to Darwin's official biography,
      > > From Heaven to the Prairie, Darwin had profound inner experiences
      > > from an early age, including interdimensional daydream journeys,
      > > astral planet-hopping, and very intense dreams which left him crying
      > > when he awoke. But they weren't nightmares, as He once noted,
      > >
      > > "If a child screams and hollers during sleep... (It) isn't a nightmare;
      > > the Soul doesn't want to come back to the human state of consciousness.
      > > I fought it until my spiritual guide assisted me. I was only three or so at
      > > the time and after about three months of this, my parents were about
      > > to give up on me."
      > > >
      > > mish wrote:
      > > > >
      > > This is what is posted on ATOM about the death
      > > of Darwin Gross. I thought it would be good to
      > > include it here for eckankar history reference purposes.
      > > > >
      > > From: http://www.atomworld.org/
      > > > >
      > > March 2008 ATOM Post
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > Sri Darwin Gross, Teacher & 972nd Living Master
      > > Contemplation Seed-
      > >
      > > "The one thing we as human beings must learn is to get
      > > above the astral and mental thoughts and their forces,
      > > and allow the one God to lead us, then we will not be misled.…
      > > All the answers to questions the individual might have can
      > > be found at the temple within."
      > > > >
      > > Light is Knowledge by Darwin Gross
      > >
      > >
      > > To All Our ATOM Friends and Initiates
      > > > >
      > > It is with deep sadness we announce that our Beloved
      > > Master, Sri Darwin Gross, translated from his physical
      > > body on Saturday, March 8th at 10:35 a.m. PST. It is
      > > difficult to put into words all that Darwin (Darji) was,
      > > and still is, and what he meant to so many that look
      > > to him for Spiritual guidance and succor. Over the years
      > > his physical body began reflecting the tremendous Spiritual
      > > workload he had taken on—not only for his chelas (students)
      > > but for all Life—here on this plane and beyond.
      > > > >
      > > Darwin had stated in his Will that no memorial or funeral
      > > service be held. On March 12th his physical body was
      > > cremated and his ashes dispersed in the ocean at Gleneden
      > > Beach on the Oregon Coast. Just afterwards, there were
      > > four sea gulls that stood at attention in a square formation
      > > overlooking the spot where the ashes had been swept away
      > > by the thunderous surf.
      > > > >
      > > Even though it is hard for us to see him leave this physical
      > > world, there is no doubt that he had completed his mission
      > > here on this plane and that he also prepared each and every
      > > one of us for this next step. He taught us that our DEPENDENCY
      > > [and Co-dependency] must be on the Inner Master as the physical
      > > body is limited—yet always keeping a balance between both
      > > worlds. His work continues with each of us on the Inner just
      > > as before, along with the Love, Guidance and Protection of the
      > > Inner Master. [Apparently there was No Spiritual Freedom for
      > > Soul via Darwin either!]
      > > > >
      > > All throughout time there has been a Living Master in this
      > > unbroken line of Ancient Masters. It is stated in the writings
      > > that the Living Master is the only one who appoints his successor
      > > and that he never speaks of whom his successor will be until
      > > the appropriate time. It is then that he will pass the Rod of
      > > Power to his successor at midnight on October 22nd. One can
      > > delve into the writings and find more information, but ultimately
      > > we must go to the Temple Within to find all of our answers.
      > > > >
      > > With regard to the outer ATOM works, Darwin's Living Trust
      > > provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall
      > > be held in trust to carry on his memory and life's work as well
      > > as his predecessor's, Sri Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will
      > > continue to be made available to those who are interested
      > > in this most direct path to God and we will keep everyone
      > > apprised of any developments.
      > > > >
      > > Plans that were underway for the ATOM, including outer
      > > events, will continue to unfold for the good of the whole.
      > > Beginning next month, the ATOM Post will be physically
      > > mailed to those who do not have access to the Internet.
      > > Until the next Post, we'll close with a song written by Darwin,
      > > "We Never Say Good-bye":
      > > > >
      > > We never say good-bye,
      > > Just so long.
      > > We'll see you next time
      > > Some place, somewhere.
      > > However not so long,
      > > For we're always with you in the dream state,
      > > Always with you wherever you may be…
      > > Til we meet once more,
      > > Whether it's on the street
      > > or heaven's door,
      > > I'll be with you
      > > Forever more.
      > >
      > > May the Blessings Be!
      > >
      >
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