3266Re: 972nd LEM Translates and Klemp Doesn't Mention It!
- Mar 25 5:43 PMYes, Darwin will be missed by many ECKists. In 10 years
(1971-1981) he handed out more Higher Initiations than
Klemp has in 27 years! With Darwin, in charge, ECKists
could even skip initiations! I know of a RESA who got their
4th and 5th in the same year under Darwin!
I heard that one ECKist stated that Darwin had entered
the "Sayodiyam," [EK Lexicon, pg. 185] except, DG was
already a Mahanta, or at least of the 13th Circle after 10
years as LEM (by Eckankar standards) and therefore, beyond
the 12th God-Realized state of Consciousness. Darwin himself
had said he was still a member of the "Bourchakoun" and
Klemp could Not kick him out! This is on a Higher Level
than the KAL has authority over. [EK Lexicon, pg. 23] Also,
the 13th Circle AND the 14th Circle are states of the Mahanta
Consciousness and cannot even be described... check it
out in the Shariyat 2, Chapter 12.
Interesting, too, that another ECKist on Chela-Chat or
HU-Chat said that they saw Darwin on the "inner" around
March 8th and knew that he had translated. Why didn't
Klemp know? How many ECKists will now start to second
guess Klemp in order to make excuses him and his Lack of
Higher Consciousness, Forgiveness, and Compassion for
Not saying anything nice about Darwin! Klemp is clueless!
BTW- For ECKANKAR.org Members Only Entry:
For H.I. Only Info:
So, did Darwin decide to take a "vacation" via his "translation?"
> prometheus wrote:
> Did Klemp mention the translation of the 972nd LEM
> at the EK Springtime Seminar? I didn't hear of it being
> Did Klemp even know of Darwin's translation?
> Shouldn't the Mahanta/LEM have "known" when Darwin died?
> The fact that HK didn't know shows that Klemp is No Master!
> Or, is it that Klemp didn't mention DG's death because
> he lacks true Compassion and Love? I'll bet Klemp was
> still holding a grudge and still can't let go of his anger!
> Either way it shows that Klemp comes up lacking even average
> qualities of consciousness let alone those "higher" standards of
> a Master! This is more proof that Klemp is a phony and has no
> right to claim that he is The Great Master of all Masters! Bullsh_t!
> Some more information on Darwin Gross--
> Darwin Gross, born January 3, 1928; died March 8, 2008,
> making him 80 years old when he passed:
> Author: Michael Turner
> Published on: February 25, 1999
> The SONIC SPECTRUM
> (c) October 1996
> STELLA BLUE:
> A LOOK AT SRI DARWIN GROSS [Part 1 and 2 united - Aldarow]
> - by Michael Turner
> Sri Darwin was born in Denhoff, North Dakota, on January 3, 1928,
> to Paul and Adina Gross. He had four siblings, Adeline, Harry James
> (Jim), Ruby and Donald. According to Darwin's official biography,
> From Heaven to the Prairie, Darwin had profound inner experiences
> from an early age, including interdimensional daydream journeys,
> astral planet-hopping, and very intense dreams which left him crying
> when he awoke. But they weren't nightmares, as He once noted,
> "If a child screams and hollers during sleep... (It) isn't a nightmare;
> the Soul doesn't want to come back to the human state of consciousness.
> I fought it until my spiritual guide assisted me. I was only three or so at
> the time and after about three months of this, my parents were about
> to give up on me."
> mish wrote:
> > >
> This is what is posted on ATOM about the death
> of Darwin Gross. I thought it would be good to
> include it here for eckankar history reference purposes.
> > >
> From: http://www.atomworld.org/
> > >
> March 2008 ATOM Post
> > >
> > >
> Sri Darwin Gross, Teacher & 972nd Living Master
> Contemplation Seed-
> "The one thing we as human beings must learn is to get
> above the astral and mental thoughts and their forces,
> and allow the one God to lead us, then we will not be misled.
> All the answers to questions the individual might have can
> be found at the temple within."
> > >
> Light is Knowledge by Darwin Gross
> To All Our ATOM Friends and Initiates
> > >
> It is with deep sadness we announce that our Beloved
> Master, Sri Darwin Gross, translated from his physical
> body on Saturday, March 8th at 10:35 a.m. PST. It is
> difficult to put into words all that Darwin (Darji) was,
> and still is, and what he meant to so many that look
> to him for Spiritual guidance and succor. Over the years
> his physical body began reflecting the tremendous Spiritual
> workload he had taken onnot only for his chelas (students)
> but for all Lifehere on this plane and beyond.
> > >
> Darwin had stated in his Will that no memorial or funeral
> service be held. On March 12th his physical body was
> cremated and his ashes dispersed in the ocean at Gleneden
> Beach on the Oregon Coast. Just afterwards, there were
> four sea gulls that stood at attention in a square formation
> overlooking the spot where the ashes had been swept away
> by the thunderous surf.
> > >
> Even though it is hard for us to see him leave this physical
> world, there is no doubt that he had completed his mission
> here on this plane and that he also prepared each and every
> one of us for this next step. He taught us that our DEPENDENCY
> [and Co-dependency] must be on the Inner Master as the physical
> body is limitedyet always keeping a balance between both
> worlds. His work continues with each of us on the Inner just
> as before, along with the Love, Guidance and Protection of the
> Inner Master. [Apparently there was No Spiritual Freedom for
> Soul via Darwin either!]
> > >
> All throughout time there has been a Living Master in this
> unbroken line of Ancient Masters. It is stated in the writings
> that the Living Master is the only one who appoints his successor
> and that he never speaks of whom his successor will be until
> the appropriate time. It is then that he will pass the Rod of
> Power to his successor at midnight on October 22nd. One can
> delve into the writings and find more information, but ultimately
> we must go to the Temple Within to find all of our answers.
> > >
> With regard to the outer ATOM works, Darwin's Living Trust
> provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall
> be held in trust to carry on his memory and life's work as well
> as his predecessor's, Sri Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will
> continue to be made available to those who are interested
> in this most direct path to God and we will keep everyone
> apprised of any developments.
> > >
> Plans that were underway for the ATOM, including outer
> events, will continue to unfold for the good of the whole.
> Beginning next month, the ATOM Post will be physically
> mailed to those who do not have access to the Internet.
> Until the next Post, we'll close with a song written by Darwin,
> "We Never Say Good-bye":
> > >
> We never say good-bye,
> Just so long.
> We'll see you next time
> Some place, somewhere.
> However not so long,
> For we're always with you in the dream state,
> Always with you wherever you may be
> Til we meet once more,
> Whether it's on the street
> or heaven's door,
> I'll be with you
> Forever more.
> May the Blessings Be!
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