280Re: Eckankar: The H.I. Letter June 2005
- Jul 19, 2005Hi Ingrid,
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
>Hello Prometheus,attain "Eck mastership." But there are different promises for each
>***True, nobody except Klemp (or his male replacements) will ever
>Oh yes, I forgot. Too complicated for my limited brain! ;-)No no, it is somewhat complicated, but not too much for you to
understand. One just needs more years of indoctrination and intense
brainwashing of the dogma. That's what those leadership classes are
>***With the 2nd thru 4th initiations it's not having to return toearth for future incarnations. At the 5th it's also being
established on the 5th "Soul" Plane, having past life karma
resolved, and reaching Self or Soul Realization/Consciousness. The
6th and 7th initiations offer Spiritual Realization (and
higher "settler" positions) and a step closer to the golden carrot
of God Realization Eck Mastership) and spiritual liberation.
However, the more initiations and years of delusion tends to take
its toll on one's ability to see/think more clearly (without Mahanta
>By that time, the Mahanta dependency is so great that you'd rathernot contemplate anything critical any more. Because it's difficult
to let go of all the years and years of serious work to become a co-
worker with God and the mahanta. I know a 6th initiate who, after
having read Ford Johnson's book and getting into serious doubts
about Eckankar, eventually went back to Eckankar. He has received
his 7th by now, and I hope he is happy now where he is. I let him
know that I didn't understand how it was possible that after all he
knew, to go back to Eckankar. Well, that was when I was still a bit
naive! Today, I understand that people feel the need to go back.
Now, I am better able to wish them well and to let them go.
True, critical thinking in regards to Eckankar has been eliminated
due to total acceptance and trust. One no longer has to think. It's
like being in the military and doing what you are told. Eckankar
even has a hierarchy like the military does. Klemp did say that he
enjoyed his time in the U.S. Air Force, and in the Luthern seminary
in went to as well.
If this 6th initiate let anyone know that he had read Ford's book
and had doubts about Eckankar... then I'm not so sure that he has
received his 7th by now. If I was his RESA I'd have put him on a
five year probation!
>***Eckists on these initiation levels, especially the 7th and 8th,tend to see themselves on higher "inner" initiation levels too.
>Yes there was a long-time eckist who, due to personalcircumstances, was a 2nd initiate only. She thought herself much
higher than her outer initiation. While I can understand that this
happens, I couldn't really follow her in this case - she thought she
had reached initiation level 20 or higher. That was definitely too
high for me! :-)
Yes, there are many long time lower initiate Eckists out there that
are vain and deluded. They don't keep up with their paid memberships
and they don't take satsang classes and they don't volunteer and yet
they think they have higher inner initiations, and even higher than
what Klemp even claims to have. They really don't get it! One has to
buy into the whole package and abide by all of the dogma and
guidelines instead of picking and choosing what one's deluded ego
wants to believe. Funny, but there are many higher initiates that
are just as bad with their own egomania and self-deceptions.
>***Eckists are taught to be co-dependent on theouter/inner "Master," through contradictions (i.e., self-reliance)
and deception (i.e., spiritual freedom and Eck Mastership).
>Oh yes this is so. And that's what I consider as spiritual crime byHarold Klemp.
True, HK is a spiritual criminal!
>***As I pointed out before in regards to the Masters 4 DiscourseLesson 2 on the Nineth Initiation... there are three stages and the
third and final stage to that initiation is confirmation on the
outer! Therefore, wouldn't all initiations have the same
requirements? How then can Eckists think that they are "higher" than
their membership cards indicate? This is the same kind of delusion
that is prevalent, necessary, and required to follow all of the Eck
dogma! Silly isn't it!
>Silly and tragic at the same time! But, we all are where we need tobe at the moment. I think that if Eckists are well informed about
the critics that exist about Eckankar, and if they still choose it
to be their path, then so it be. But there are so many out there who
have no idea about what Eckankar is really about. And they truly
believe and this belief and the love they put into the path are
abused. That's a crime!
Yes, Eckists should not be afraid to read something that is critical
of Eckankar or of Klemp. They just need to read the material with an
open mind and contemplate on whether it makes sense or contains some
truth that should be researched further.
>***But, if one doesn't have anything better to replace it(Eckankar) with then it does give a false sense of security. It's
really too bad that true spiritual freedom from Twitchell's and
Klemp's con is only achieved when one sees through the deceit, sees
real truth and then has the courage to act on it!
>***True, I met some very nice people and some as deluded as I was!higher initiations. Most Eckists will overlook "quirky behavior" if
>Me, too! ;-)
>***I also met a lot of social misfits that "hid out" with their
that person is an H.I.
>How true! I know of resas (as do you, too, I believe) who reallyexercise strict power in their country. They boost certain people
they like in the region, while they ignore people they don't like.
Of course this is very human behavior, but it needs to be
acknowledged as such and not hid behind pretentions of "higher
development". This is where deceit begins in my opinion.
Yes, I know very strict RESAs who follow the guidelines precisely,
very permissive ones who follow the guidelines loosely and delegate
everything, and those who are a combination of both. All, however,
seem to have their favorites for one reason or another.
>***Yes, Mario is extremely quirky! I found it interesting that Fordallows him to post his innuendo's and veiled threats while typically
Not contributing anything of spiritual value or of higher
consciousness. One has to wonder if this is Ford's Archilles heel,
or if something else is taking place. Why is it that B&M can do no
wrong when they are so wrong! What's Ford's game in turning a blind
eye to their misbehavior and the cult/con promotions?
>Well, at the moment all is quiet. Are they rethinking the issue orjust planning another strategy? :-)
I would say that they are preparing a couple of very long posts on
the current TS/HCS topic in order to justify their past positions
and to tie it all into some kind of spiritual/educational mission.
Just a guess!
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