2681Re: ECKANKAR: The Wisdom Notes, June 2007
- Jun 27, 2007Hi Liz,
I just had a few comments too about how things really
work within the local RESA hierarchy.
>[ME] Yea, I guarantee that no 2nd Initiate is privey to or fully understands
> So basically, I would think you would already have all the info you ask for,
> if you were that "special" and ran with the pack. Wow, dated 2 HIs....
> They must have ran out of fresh meat to get involved with a lower! LOL
> Usually most HIs would bother with a lower, let alone the RESAs.... Has
> something to do with having more awareness and direct contact with the Elite
the workings of the RESA/ESC hierarchy because a RESA is their bestest
buddy and the 2nd was dating TWO loser H.I.s! LOL! A 2nd knows only
what the H.I.s want them to know, and is never one of the Club! LOL!
And, I doubt that the details of how initiations were given out
(the ESC computer list and verification phone calls) would be shared with a
2nd initiate best buddy or even a hot date. There's no need to share this info
and, therefore, it wouldn't be. However, if one was present when calls were
made and the Lower listened in when there was a discussion about the yea
or nay, as to whether one is deserving of that next initiation, then there could
be something shared, but I doubt that it would be a complete picture. And,
one can't really learn about Eckankar through osmosis, or by being spoon fed,
or by riding on someone else's coat tails. However, associating with H.I.s
(after they are brought down from their pedestals) will, eventually, show Lowers
that there are many many loser H.I.s! This fact, also, shows that Higher
Consciousness is NOT connected to these Higher initiations. So, I wonder
what the RESA friend had to say in order to convince her 2nd initiate budd
to stay in the org... it didn't work too well did it!
> So did those HIs have super special techniques? Since they are in the[ME] Right! Actually, I'm not sure that those H.I.s are in the running to hold
> running to hold the rod.... Ah well maybe I'll not say what I'm really
> thinking! Oh hell why not! Getting some from an HI, did that make you
> more aware, or were you in it for your own agenda? I knew a few lowers
> that thought hanging with the uppers would make them look important,
>it was an ego thing mostly. ;-)
the "Rod." LOL! HK once told 4ths to hang out with the H.I.s in order to imitate
their behaviours and act "as if." HK should have told them to pay attention to
their own consciousness in this Here and Now present reality instead of acting
"as if" about anything! I knew one H.I. that followed Klemp's suggestion (4ths to
hang with H.I.s) and when she got her 5th she refused to associate with Lowers!
BTW- Some of us were really "immersed" and for a much longer period of time!
ECKANKAR: The Wisdom Notes, June 2007
hey, mish. i'm fairly interested in eck events from the past, and in
the present. i think it would be quite interesting to know harold's
i didn't comment on the wisdom notes because i don't really have a
i'm not sure what underlying message hk is trying to convey with that
computer stuff. he could be hoping that eckists will remain in the dark
if they keep away from the internet.
or he could be saying that he understands things on a level the rest of us
don't. like, he knows about harmful beams, and the rest of us are clueless.
i was only in eckankar 5 years, mish. i was never a higher initiate.
but i was as insider as one can be, i suppose, without being a higher initiate.
one of my best friends was the RESA, and i dated two hi's. i was one of the
- i only relate these things to say that i was quite immersed in the whole
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