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232Re: Eckankar: The Wisdom Notes by H. Klemp ... June 2005 #4

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  • ctecvie
    Jul 5, 2005
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      Hello Prometheus,

      I love your analyses! Thank you very much, I really enjoy all of
      them. I just translated them into my language and while doing it, I
      became aware how deluded and schizophrenic this man is! I know
      Eckists and ex-Eckists with anxiety disorder - so this kind of
      message does not help them at all, on the contrary. I know an ex-
      Eckist who left Eckankar 10 years ago and still suffers from acute
      Eckankar and Harold syndrome. Well, of course that's her
      personality, too - but I think a man calling himself God-made flesh
      on earth (or so) should know how to speak and give messages to all
      of his chelas, don't you think?

      > This last installment discusses "circle of initiation," which is
      > always good for a belly laugh by former Eckists. Enjoy!

      Oh, indeed! Isn't that incredible!!! :-)

      > HK: "Sometimes two people spend the same amount of time in a
      > of initiation, but one of the two is far off track spiritually,
      > so it's not possible to give them the same initiation at the same
      > time."
      What BS!!! Isn't he basically saying "keep your mouth shut (as you
      said, Prometheus), and, most importantly pay your membership fees no
      matter if you'll get an initiation or not"!

      > HK: "Anyway, no Soul deserving of initiation is ever forgotten.
      > initiate who has earned it stands in a circle closer to the
      > the ECK, and the SUGMAD than ever before whether or not the outer
      > initiation ever takes place."
      > ME: So, I guess one progresses from the outer rings of the (inner)
      > circle to its center to meet the Godman Klemp. It seems like Klemp
      > is promoting a spiritual "schizophrenic split" within Eckists by
      > emphasing the Inner over the outer. Hypocritical isn't it! This is
      > confusing because when Klemp defined the three stages of the 9th
      > Initiation (The Master 4 Discourses, Lesson 2) he stated that the
      > last stage to complete the initiation was confirmation on the

      Very interesting indeed. But younger Eckists won't ever notice
      that "schizophrenic split" because they can't read the discourse in
      question - and you can't talk about discourses with others because
      this will bring your spiritual progress to a halt - and who would
      risk that!!

      > Therefore, there is no "inner initiation" since it requires the
      > final outer stage to "make it so!" Klemp likes it both ways
      > he? Too bad that brain-washed Eckists are now incapable of
      > thinking and just blindly accept all of Klemp's crap as truth!

      The longer I'm out of Eckankar, the more I ask myself why I ever
      believed such crap? Fortunately I'm in good company as much more
      intelligent people than I bought into this crap so it's easier for
      me to accept!
      > HK: "Why spill tears for another's state of consciousness? What's
      > the hurry? All Souls achieve the state of God Consciousness in
      > own time and at their own pace. My love is with each of you on
      > journey home to God."

      Oh yes - and you never ever will be in Klemp's (the Mahanta, the
      LEM) shoes, especially not when you are a woman! :-)
      > I keep telling Klempji to make the 7ths
      > with 25 years as a 7th into 8ths. And make the 8ths into 9ths!

      Oh oh Prometheus - you are so blasphemic! No wonder you couldn't get
      any further in Eckankar than you did! I guess you are one of those
      Klemp is talking about - those who don't care about their spiritual
      development and just wanted to get into the spotlight! :-)))

      > will open things up and give people more false hope of reaching
      > golden carrot or brass ring while riding the Eck merry-go-round.
      > only reason why Harold won't follow my suggestions is because of
      > ego since I came up with the idea first. Maybe I should be the
      > L.E.M./ Mahanta? Nah! I can't act "as if" or "play the game" as
      > as Klemp! I'm much more sane and honest with myself and others.

      Hear, hear - isn't that what I just said in the paragraph above!
      Klemp must be right then! ;-)) A pity that he's so schizo himself,
      perhaps that's why you could never replace him even if you tried

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