2149Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: 12/2006 MYSTIC WORLD - Ask the Master #1
- Jan 15, 2007In a message dated 1/15/07 2:48:29 PM Central Standard Time, prometheus_973@... writes:
Doug Marman once said, "Yes, I would say a lot of what is taught
about Eckankar is a myth. Yes, I think a lot of what people think
about the Holocaust is made up of myth as well." (2/8/2004,
A Few Responses) http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/dispBB.asp
Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't take me to the post,
but I did manage to find it nevertheless. The link is:
I have not read all of the posts on T.S., however I probably should.
Besides some posts by Doug, I also saw the name James Davis as
Actually I pretty much like Doug as a writer. That is my opinion
and I am entitled to it. I didn't have time to read through all of the
posts, however I did find this illustration:
4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words and put his Eck
masters names on them as if the Eck Master were saying them?
I believe this response is from the same post (A Few
Responses) that you had mentioned from 02/08/04. I
gave the correct link.
This question and answer was something that I myself
had contemplated on a number of times, however I had not
read that post until today.
On another note (change of topic), here is some further
trivia about that Babaji character:
Shri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mahasaya (1828-1895) [NP] Known
as a Yogavatar ("Incarnation of Yoga"), Lahiri Mahasaya was
a supervisor, married with children, working for the construction
department of the Railway Company in Varanasi. One day in
1861 his office sent him by "mistake" (in fact a transfer brought
about by the mystical power of Babaji himself) to the Ranikhet
mountains, where Babaji appeared to him and initiated him into
Kriya Yoga, and gave him the mission to spread it to the world.
"Throughout the history of creation, the divine teachings of
Kriya Yoga were introduced and lost countless times, in
accordance with the different cycles of human consciousness.
"The contemporary re-introduction of Kriya Yoga began in 1861
in a remote mountain cave in northern India, and has been since
then transmitted through an unbroken lineage of realized masters."
According to Yogananda, Kriya Yoga was well-known in
ancient India, but was eventually lost, due to "priestly secrecy
and man’s indifference." The story of Lahiri Mahasaya receiving
initiation into Kriya Yoga by the immortal yogi Mahavatar Babaji
in 1861 is recounted in Autobiography of a Yogi. At that meeting,
Yogananda wrote that Mahavatar Babaji told Lahiri Mahasaya,
"The Kriya Yoga that I am giving to the world through you in this
nineteenth century, is a revival of the same science that Krishna
gave milleniums ago to Arjuna; and was later known to Patanjali
"According to some, Babaji is a deathless Yogi who
is still living somewhere in the Himalayas, whilst others
think that he takes human form once in a while in order
to accomplish specific purposes, keeping his body young
by a yogic process called "Kaya Kalpa". For more information
read Roy Eugene Davis' book "Life surrendered in God"
- 1993 - Csa Press. Since 1946, nobody knew about his
existence. Yogananda mentioned him in the book "autobiography
of a yogi" (which was first published in 1946), and recently
lots of people have claimed to be disciples of his.
Obviously, most of these statements are not true. As most
of you probably know, Krishna is the main character of the
"Bhagavad-Gita". Considered by Hindu people as an avatar
of Vishnu, in the Bhagavad-Gita Krishna shows to Arjuna
the way to soul liberation. According to some, the "Krishna"
described in the Gita is a fictional character."
There are too many references to mention, but in more than
one place it appeared that (according to some) this Babji has
"instructed" people to give out certain teachings and even to
It was 1945 when Paul Twitchell moved to Washington D.C.
He had been a writer for Our Navy magazine. Yogananda's
book was published in 1946. In 1950, Paul Twitchell and his
wife, Camille Ballowe, joined the Self-Revelation Church of
Absolute Monism [D.C.] and Paul reportedly wrote for The
Mystic Cross. And though I would imagine that Paul was at
the time familiar with this Babaji legend, personally I wouldn't
say that Rebazar Tarzs and Babaji are the same character.
There do appear to be similarities in both of their "legends"
and I don't doubt that these are the only legends about old
Masters appearing to people on the inner or the outer.
I would venture to guess that there are any number of
ancient Masters on the inner and the outer who can be
of assistance for various individuals. And though some
accounts are probably fabricated from legend and myth
I tend to believe that they are not all fiction. This is but
a personal opinion and belief that I hold for good reason.
To claim that there are no such things as spiritual guides
and/or masters is not totally fair in my book. However, at
the same time I would argue that most of the accounts
are from personal experiences by a variety of individuals
and that not all of the accounts agree. IMO some do and
Something that does appear to matter about spiritual
guidance (IMO) is whether or not it helps people who are
receptive to it, by whatever vehicle it comes to them. And
then there is (perhaps) the personal element to consider
and whether or not we can legistate what a person's spiritual
experience ought to be. Obviously this appears to be what
we have no right to do with regard to another person and
their spiritual beliefs. Well, at least to an extent. Like, I
wouldn't say that "human sacrifice" should be condoned
in the name of religion.
BTW, if I should come across like someone trying to ram
"religion" down people's throats, I should apologize for that.
It is not nowadays something that appeals to me to do - not
after looking at the consequences. So I try to share in the
way of stated opinion, personal observation, and especially
with questions. However, people sharing their experiences
(whether religion or not) does not have to equate to twisting
other people's arms, but IMO can be a natural human social
tendency toward free expression. IMO the bigger problems
come when we try and force other people to adopt particular
beliefs that don't really seem to work for them.
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