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1963Re: Kal-Eckists - They're Everywhere!

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  • Non ekster
    Dec 1, 2006
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      Grundee and Company are indeed Kal agents and this has been proven
      over and over in real time. They are simply slopping around in their
      own eck poo like the eck monkeys they are! <smile>

      Noneckster ; )

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
      <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Zoey and Mish,
      > You both make some good points about the Kal-Eckist, Cheryl, on
      > Eckankar's HU-Chat [Vahana (missionary)] site. I always thought that
      > Cheryl was a frustrated 4th Initiate like Peter A. who had to become
      > a "Cleric" via the Universal Life Church. Now a days, Eckists cannot
      > become Clerics in Eckankar without two years as a 5th Initiate plus
      > the trainings, recommendations, etc.
      >
      > C.G.'s vanity would, more than likely, indicate that she was now
      > an H.I. I'm always amazed to see how Cheryl ends up negating
      > her "humble" and "sensitive" posts with her two-faced <smile>. Yes,
      > she's good at judging others without taking any responsibility or
      > ownership for her own nastiness. There have been many on HU-Chat
      > that never attacked her, but needed to defend themselves or leave
      > the site due to her negativity. Cheryl was always the suspicious and
      > aggressive one (a true Kal-Eckist) ready to pounce like a mad (and
      > untrained) attack dog!
      >
      > I'm really surprised that an Eckankar Vahana site like HU-Chat
      > wouldn't have oversight by Public Information or RESA Services at
      > the ESC. What is Klemp thinking?! Cheryl G. and other like-minded HU-
      > Chat Vahanas are loud and clear proof that Eckankar is a big pile of
      > crap! There is No Higher Leadership Consciousness by Klemp's RESAs
      > or ESC Staff members. And, there is No Higher Consciousness via
      > Outer Communication, Responsibility, and Follow-Through by Klemp, as
      > the LEM. Therefore, how can there be true Inner Communication by a
      > Mahanta if the LEM can't even deal with the Lower Planes! The proof
      > is in the pudding and Cheryl and company is proof of Klemp's
      > ineffectiveness and claims as a "Modern Prophet" or anything else!
      >
      > When the "Prophet" (Klemp) doesn't know about Cheryl types what does
      > that say about his powers and insight! Or, if Klemp does "know" of
      > Cheryl and permits this Kal like behaviour what does that say about
      > Klemp? I really think that the Cheryl types of Kal-Eckists is just
      > more proof that Klemp is also a Kal agent and that Eckankar is just
      > another illusional religious trap!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > Zoey wrote:
      >
      > Couple of years back a friend and I confirmed, for anyone with sense
      > to see, what cher is all about. I set myself up as a detractor,
      > while my friend set himself up as pro-eck. My friend would post
      > passages which he credited to klemp or twitchell. Mostly these
      > passages were hogwash. Although the passages sounded quite
      > esoteric, they were totally senseless manure. Cher would praise
      > them, agree with them, condone them, etc etc etc simply because he
      > put the eck brand on the mess. Sometimes he posted passages that
      > utterly contradicted eckankar perceptions, and again, they sounded
      > quite mystical. As long as the stuff was attributed to eck
      > literature, chernobyl was dancing on her fat little feet in
      > agreement.
      >
      > I, on the other hand, posted passages straight from klemp and
      > twitchell. I often quoted the shariyat. Because I was a known
      > detractor, chernut tore sh** out of it all. It's not that I would
      > expect even the most aredent eckist to memorize the entire eck
      > library, but the passages I posted encapsulated key concepts. But I
      > attributed them to Ford, or Lane, or whoever; so the enlightened
      > eckists pissed on their own scripture.
      >
      > In all fairness I met a few, a very few, eckists who had some grasp
      > of spiritual process - and chose, for whatever personal reasons, to
      > stay with eckankar. But the majority were variations of cher. Folks
      > who had simply grabbed on to an available raft. It could have been
      > any raft, but, in their moment of need, the eck ship floated
      > across their transom.
      >
      > For the chers, eckankar exists as some conglomeration of personal
      > need and makeshift spiritual ideas. The potential for authentic
      > growth, even transformation, which is possible when one undertakes a
      > spiritual discipline (vigorous self honesty), totally eludes the
      > chers as they pass out fliers, post endless eckle platitudes, and
      > battle the detractors. This mindless warfare is the substitute for
      > the rigors of authentic evaluation.
      >
      > zoey
      >
      > Hi, Zoey!
      >
      > I think I read this dialogue with Cher over on A.R.E., but I don't
      > recall how she extricated herself from "the" test! Or if she was
      > even clued in that it was a test that she failed miserably. The one
      > thing I notice with Cheryl, and the other eckists like her, is that
      > she seldom if ever apologizes for being wrong, nasty, insensitive,
      > etc. The best one can expect is a slight acknowledgment with one of
      > her "<grin>"s! Or she sinks back down into the hole she crawls out
      > of and remains hidden until she thinks it has all gone away. One
      > doesn't know what she is doing behind the scenes as far as getting
      > her "friends" stirred up enough to do her battling. Basically,
      > though, Cheryl "knows everything!" I mean "everything!" Mention a
      > topic and she has the answer or best opinion. She is so well
      > schooled and her mental processes are working with such clarity that
      > she above all others is above reproach--NOT! Cheryl is a real "big-
      > headed" joke, and she's a major reason for people to be turned off
      > from eckankar. Her vahana work as exemplified by her higher
      > initiation behavior and comments does serve the purpose of
      > discouraging others from wanting to get on the eckankar bandwagon. I
      > also suspect that she has driven some eckists to leave the
      > teachings, because she is definitely good proof that eckankar is (to
      > use one of your terms) pure hogwash! Spiritual seekers do not need
      > to follow a master or listen to the dribblings of such delusional
      > chelas like Cheryl! However, personally, I enjoy watching the
      > destructive workings of Cheryl--she does a great job of detracting!
      > She's sort of like a team member for us here on ESA! We point out
      > the flaws in the teachings and she demonstrates them for us! LOL!
      >
      > Mish
      >
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