1617Re: Eckankar: The 09/2006 "Wisdom" Notes of HK (revised)
- Aug 27, 2006Below are my comments to Klemp's nutty "wisdom." (revised)
09/2006 The Wisdom Notes by Harold Klemp
HK: "Mary went into contemplation and asked what was behind all her
earlier relationships. They were made up of the usual stuff--full of
agony, ecstasy, drama, and disenchantment."
*ME: Klemp is no expert on relationships! I'm certain that Klemp is
viewing her letter through his own distorted perspective. This is
Not the "Usual Stuff" of dreams, contemplation, or of life. Where's
the positive side of this story, and the love, fun and happiness?
Klemp has just been reading the letters of experiences that stand
out to these frustrated, depressed and troubled Eckists and has
assumed that these negative and unusual cases are common! This,
also, shows how out-of-touch Klemp is with reality and his chelas ,
as well as, his obsession with the negative passions of the mind.
HK: "Then, parading before her eyes, came a column of people from
this lifetime. There were her parents, siblings, classmates,
friends, lovers, spouses, children, coworkers, and so many more.
Mary noticed that in all these relationships she had just wanted
love. That was it."
*ME: Once again, Klemp is projecting his own distorted views of life
onto Mary's as he misinterprets her contemplation. Klemp is probably
the one who has always "just wanted love" but doesn't know how to go
about it due to his *previously mentioned personality disorders
relating back to his childhood. [*see message #1602 on ESA]
HK: "And yet, this need for love always left her at the mercy of
others, and to their reactions."
*ME: Klemp thinks that giving love leaves one "at the mercy of
others!" And, what kind of "reactions" is he implying? It seems that
Klemp is implying that Negative reactions will occur if one gives
love unconditionally. However, should one always expect or demand
that love be returned or even returned in the ways we want or can
see? If so, then the love given was Not unconditional or given
freely in the first place!
HK: "How much was that like slavery."
*ME: And what is the purpose of this statement? Is this just another
wishy-washy ploy to change the subject or to seem empathetic? One is
not a "slave" to love. However, one can become attached to habits
and expectations. But, I guarantee that if one gives love freely and
unconditionally that it will be returned by most individuals and
certainly by Spirit.
HK: "And yet, through all she's learned in ECKANKAR, she is clear
about the special gift that the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master and
all the other ECK Masters bring to people. The Masters show how to
find divine love."
*ME: It's interesting how Klemp avoids practicing love with real
people. Instead, Klemp talks of an imagined concept of "divine love"
that is a Kal distraction. Love and even "divine love" needs to be
expressed to real everyday people, family members, friends, co-
workers (non-Eckists), etc. by Eckists. In Eckankar the (Eck/Kal)
spiritual technique of exclusion could be termed "The Easy Way."
HK: "This involves a working relationship with the ECK (Holy
Spirit). that, then, opens the door to spiritual freedom and means
becoming an open channel for the ECK."
*ME: "Spiritual freedom" comes through Self-Mastery and Not Needing
a delusional and unloving "master/savior" to follow around or
hanging onto every ridiculous statement coming from his smiling
HK: "That is the sum of what living is all about."
*ME: Klemp has No clue about love or about living! He's been a
recluse since childhood. He's always hidden out and been anti-social
and lacked empathy and love. This is a part of his psychopathy.
Being the LEM just gives him an excuse for his nutty behaviour.
HK: "So all true ECK initiates know they're to be open channels for
the Holy Spirit. Of course, their service takes place in society.
They--you--are working in a sea of consciousness, bright lights in a
*ME: So, does this mean that Klemp is promoting a one-on-one Vahana
effort versus intros and public book discussions and psychic fairs?
Also, who are the "true" ECK initiates? Do these "true" Eckists also
follow the never-ending Guidelines and the unspoken rules of conduct
without question? BTW- I recently found a 1972 copyright of the Manu
Samhita-The Code of Ethics which contained even more rules! And,
let's Not forget the Four Zoas!
HK: "You are also quite aware that this sea of consciousness is
*ME: "Consciousness is forever changing" for those of us still
operating in the field of action and truly living life! However, it
seems that Higher Consciousness has eluded Klemp since he seems to
be stuck in a time warp of past events. His unresolved issues
steming from his inability to relate to others or to society has
distorted his perspectives in every facet of life. He now hides in
his delusional little construct of reality based upon a blend of
revised Radhasoami and Christian dogma called Eckankar.
HK: "A way to trace this change is to observe a society's
innovations, its inventions or new developments in thought, better
technical and practical devices, and also in its music."
*ME: So, is Klemp now going to bring us up-to-date and relate some
Be Here Now philosophy and advice along with some current views on
music for the 21st Century? Not a chance! That's for the next book
HK: "A society's thinkers come up with ideas about what laws
underlie existence and how an individual ought to conduct himself.
The ancient Greeks--like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle--led the way
for how Western society would arrange its thoughts in the coming
*ME: "Western society?" Oh, I guess Klemp means European society.
Hint to HK: Next time just say Occident and this will also include
HK: "Music, some say, mirrors an age. So in the Western tradition we
see the likes of Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven."
*ME: Well as far as classical music goes Bach is my favorite and
Mozart is next. I really don't care much for Beethoven, although, I
do like his 9th. Does Klemp know that Beethoven suffered from
serious depression? And, who are the "some" who say music mirrors an
age? Are these more Eck Masters or real people?
HK: "Bach echoed the idea that all music was from God, so it should
glorify Him. He composed in the wake of the Reformation, when
Protestants had led the renewal of the Christian church, bringing it
back closer to its roots in New Testament times."
*ME: I think that Johnny Cash also "echoed" similar concepts of God,
although, I'm not being very current in mentioning Johnny!
ON ANOTHER NOTE: It seems that Klemp doesn't mention the 16th
Century Eck Master named Martin Luther. Where is this "history?"
Klemp studied in a Luthern seminary and once had dreams of becoming
a preacher. BTW - Do Eckists know that Luther wrote a pamphlet in
1545 entitled "The Jews and Their Lies?" "Luther claimed that Jews
thirsted for Christian blood and urged that Jews be killed. The
Nazis reprinted this pamphlet in 1935 . Some scholars feel that
these outrageous attacks mark the transition from anti-Judaism
(attacks motivated because of the Jews' refusal to accept
Christianity) to anti-Semitism (hatred of Jews as a so-called 'race'
who would contaminate the purity of another race.)"
HK: "Mozart followed close on the heels of Bach, who had died six
years before. As usual, there was political unheaval in Europe,
including the Seven Years' War. BUT Mozart, an Austrian, mirrored
his society's desire for harmony, which he expressed in the use of
melody in compositions. A listener of Mozart will find that his
music often lends itself to humming along."
*ME: Yes, I often enjoy "humming along" while listening to Mozart!
LOL! I especially enjoy "humming" to his Piano Concertos Nos. 9 &
21! Sometimes I even conduct! Isn't it interesting how Klemp
distorts history as he puts his own warped Mahanta/savior slant on
HK: "Beethoven's music reflects the Enlightenment. The church and
belief in God took a backseat to rationalism. Man's reason was now
superior to the power of religion and superstition."
*ME: I must say that Klemp certainly doesn't take a backseat to
rationalizing, therefore, his ability to reason is certainly in
question. Why does he need to revisit the past so often? I think he
enjoys manipulating history by adding his "High" opinions as though
his views are important to the rest of the world. Sadly for him,
only his deluded and mindless followers believe this tripe!
HK: "When Beethoven stepped from the wings, his music stressed self-
expression. He wrote music to please himself, not God or society. In
fact, after beating a piano into submission while playing one of his
pieces to an audience, he'd hector the listeners for not having the
wit to understand what the composition was all about. People loved
his music anyway."
*ME: And now Klemp beats his chelas into submission through the Law
of Silence, Guidelines upon guidelines, Zoas, and rules of behaviour
and by calling them "losers." BTW- only the brainwashed and truely
delusional Eckists can love this agent for the Kal. Eckists need to
see that they are the true Master.
HK: "As the centuries roll by, then, we note how certain key people
change societies to come. You know full well, too, that such changes
in consciousness need an igniting spark."
*ME: And, is Klemp being modest and humble by only "implying" that
he is this "igniting spark?" It seems Klemp has learned a lot from
that 'rascal' Twitchell in regards to self-promotion.
HK: "What is this spark? The spark is the spiritual hierarchy. This
includes the ECK Masters as well as the Lords of Karma."
*ME: Klemp is giving credit for "this spark" to the "spiritual
hierarchy." However, isn't Klemp listed under SUGMAD in the Eck
Spiritual Hierarchy. In the Eckankar LexiCon the ECK is mentioned
after Sugmad and prior to the Mahanta, but Klemp claims to be the
ECK as well! Catch-22 Again!
HK: "The Lords of Karma certainly play an important role, because it
is they who select the Souls to see rebirth into a given age, to
help mankind enter a new level of consciousness. BUT whom do they
*ME: Well, the Lords of Karma answer to the Kal don't they? The Kal
runs the lower worlds according to Eckankar/Radhasoami dogma.
HK: "Well, they must carry out broader directions from the spiritual
hierarchy above. Yet it is they who select the Alexander the Greats,
Napoleons, Lincolns--and yes, even the Hitlers and Stalins. The two
latter sorts of personages cause millions to lead lives of misery
and suffering. BUT the divine plan is such that hardships are a
quick, sure way to purify Souls."
*ME: Okay okay! Enough of the history lesson! And, why did Klemp use
that "BUT" is he hiding something?' If suffering is part of the
divine plan, because Klemp is unable to intervene, then how does
Eckankar differ from Radhasoami or any other religion that makes
promises to its followers? The dream experiences and visitations by
masters or angels, as well as, the use of the imagination to create
cause etc., is nothing unique to only Eckankar!
HK: "In The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmand, Books One & Two, you'll see the
different levels of the spiritual hierarchy. Each level has a unique
mission. The ECK Masters' role is to show Souls the way home ot God.
That's how they are Co-workers with God."
*ME: Of course Klemp is leaving out the additional step of becoming
a Co-worker "with" the Mahanta before becoming a Co-worker with God.
This step was added when HK rewrote Twitchell's Eckankar Dictionary
and titled it A Cosmic Sea of Words the Eckankar Lexicon. Question:
Why isn't this "level" called being a Co-worker with SUGMAD versus a
Co-worker with God?
HK: "ECK chelas help the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master in this
task. So they are Co-workers with the Mahanta, the Living ECK
*ME: Does it seem that Klemp has taken us off track with how this
article actually began? This is what he does as he distorts truth in
order to promote himself, by indirect means, to a status beyond the
reach or understanding of any chela! This is the Catch-22 game he
plays. I'm just like you he will say - Soul equals Soul - and then
he reminds chelas of his high status as LEM/Mahanta! HK giveth and
then taketh away. Just a note: Always get that annual membership
donation fee in on time!
HK: "Through all ages, the ECK Masters have been here to show people
a way out of the chaos of life, into a life of peace, love and
*ME: Actually, Twitch just made it all up and took used these famous
people to create his Spiritual Hierarchy and linage of Eck Masters
in order to establish his own high authority which could not be
questioned or criticized. It is similar to that of the Pope whose
rulings are beyond reproach.
HK: "And as Mary learned earlier, it's really all about love."
*ME: Yes, let's now bring it back to the original topic after
Klemp's promotion of himself and his unquestionable authority.
However, Klemp never really talked about human love and how this and
our relationships are expressions of divine love. This is how we
demonstrate in the physical world what we have learned via our
communication with our higher Self or Soul. And if we can't
demonstrate love in this here and now on this Physical Plane what
value does it have on the higher Planes?!
HK: "I hope this overview of the changes of consciousness in society
gives you a better sense of the big picture and your role in it."
*ME: Actually this article doesn't give an "overview" that is
relevant to normal life in this here and now. The past is the past
and historic events can be explained away from a variety of
perspectives. Even historical experts differ in views. The benefit
of revisiting the past is to see and analyze our individual mistakes
and those mistakes of earlier societies' from a new and clearer
perspective. However, Klemp seems obsessed with both the past and
> the Negative. This is probably because HK has difficulty indealing with and relating to present day society, events,
relationships and people in general. For the Spiritual Truth Seeker
it is necessary to also look at the little picture or microcosm
while also viewing the macrocosm simultaneously, and with loving
balance and patience. Through the practice our own Mastership the
rest will come in Its own time.
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