1572Re: The New Eck Year of Giving and Taking Coming Soon!
- Aug 15, 2006Prometheus and all,
so very funny and so very true (and Not so funny), too! :-)
I guess whatever the chelas will do, it won't be enough! I wonder,
too, how it can be that words of the great guru to his paying
membership (only 50.000 worldwide) can make a change. HK really
loses it more and more.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> Klemp's take on the upcoming Eck Spiritual New Year, on PT's
> birthdate of Oct. 22, for 2005-2006 is titled "The Year of Giving"
> a.k.a. "You Giving and Me Taking" LOL! So, according to HK "only
> love and service can make a difference" to Eckists when looking at
> the upheavals in the world. This is the Eck Spiritual Exercise of
> Burying the Head into the Sand or de-Nile (ancient secret H.I.
> Yes, this is the phoney Mahanta's phoney "Gift." Interesting that
> Klemp uses this quote from the Shariyat Book One (in the current
> EWWS literature): "The words of the Mahanta alone can change the
> world, completely and irrevocably." How do mundane words directed
> only Eckists or to potential "paying" members mean anything to the
> world or help to make changes in consciousness? How do "loser"
> comments to his chelas spread the message of love? Anyway, Klump's
> 09/2006 front page Mystic World sci-fi article "Oh, You've Come So
> Far!" a.k.a. "You've Been a Sucker For So Long!" will be coming
> to ESA soon!
> --- In
> <prometheus_973@> wrote:implying,
> > This review will analyze what Klemp is actually saying,
> > Not saying versus what this Sun Valley Eckist is imagining he is
> > saying. Also, I disagree that "A surprising number of chelas
> > his article." This, also, is an imagined assumption. The truth
> > that Klemp really didn't take a stand or say much of anything to********************************************************************
> > excited about. It was a typical ho-hum response by a anti-social
> > farmboy/preacher wannabe who flew under the radar and rode in on
> > coat-tails of two scammers that also claimed to be saviors.
> > AN ECK SLIDE SHOW FOR MEMBERS ONLY:
> > "A Warning . . . . .
> > In the June 2005 issue of the Mystic World Sri Harold warned of
> > massive upheaval in the world. A surprising number of chelas
> > his article.
> > Never before. . .
> > The Master has never come out with such a strong message. But as
> > always he offered a solution: 'Only love and service' can make a
> > difference, he said. 'The future is in your hands and depends
> > you, and others like you' added Sri Harold. (Ask the Master,page
> > June 2005 Mystic World)
> > ss - Sun Valley, CA"
> > ASK THE MASTER - JUNE 2005 - THE MYSTIC WORLD OF ECKANKAReven
> > Q: "We now have the ECKANKAR Spiritual Center on the same ground
> > the Temple of ECK, the major ECK seminars in Minneapolis, and
> > more focus on Vahana work in the RESA structure."all
> > 1.) "How will that affect ECKANKAR and the life of the chelas
> > over the world--now and in the future?"various
> > 2.) "And what about the world in general?"
> > Me: It seems to me that Klemp is isolating himself and Eckankar.
> > Instead of spreading out or reaching out through travel to
> > cities Klemp is having everything confined to the Minneapolishow
> > The volunteer Vahana effort is just a way of giving "busy work"
> > (trainings, classes, intros, discussions, making plans,
> > etc.) so that Eckists will continue to live in the future versus
> > now, and remain distracted and tied to the promise of God
> > Realization through Initiation and position. Anway, let's see
> > Klemp answers these two questions.hands
> > HK: "Watch to see how this plays out. The future is in your
> > and depends upon you and others like you."being "in
> > Me: How long does it take to "play out?" Klemp has been the
> > LEM/Mahanta since 1981! What does HK mean by the future
> > your hands and depends upon you and others like you?" AreEckists
> > supposed to be pro-active for world peace, recycle, use lessnew
> > or is their higher vibratory rate (consciousness) going to raise
> > world consciousness? Will having more HU Chants raise world
> > consciousness?
> > HK: "Yes, there is a great spiritual significance in that the
> > ECKANKAR spiritual Center joins the ECK Temple and chapel on theand
> > campus."
> > Me: Okay, what is this "great spiritual significance?" Please
> > explain this and give examples! Also, I always thought that the
> > Seat of Power was where ever the LEM/Mahanta resided - otherwise
> > these are just buildings. What was HK's home address again? : )
> > HK: "Yet that is hardly the beginning and the end of it. Nor is
> > fact that this is the Year of the ECK Missionary."
> > Me: Okay, nothing much said here either. BTW - How did last year
> > (Year of the Eck Missionary) turn out? What were the results
> > compared to previous years? Because there should be some great
> > improvements with the ESC, Temple, chapel, World Wide Seminar,
> > Year of the Missionary all bunched together - right?BUT
> > HK: "Each element is certainly an important part of the whole,
> > only love and service will make any success come true. So it'sup
> > you (and you, and you)."
> > Me: Okay, so was there enough love and service in 2005 to make
> > Year of the Missionary a success compared to previous years? Itdonation
> > would be nice to know what the results were and how much
> > money (and how many donated service hours per Vahana) it takesto
> > bring in a new member. Is it now something like $50 dollars and25
> > hours of service per Vahana = one new member? Was this worsethan
> > last year or better? Which local areas spent the most or leastBUT
> > and/or hours per new member?
> > HK: "How will this affect the world and all within it?"
> > Me: Well, this is the question you've been dancing around!
> > HK: "A quickening of the spiritual currents is in the works. The
> > purification of Souls will speed up."
> > Me: Oh, so the LEM/Mahanta will now start to uplift the world
> > consciousness because the ESC, Temple, chapel, EWWS, and because
> > the success of the Vahana effort (finally) and because of all of
> > those ECK High Initiates and their Higher Consciousness!
> > HK: "The table of politics, economics, and order in society are
> > to turn upside down. There will be unrest of the deepest kind.
> > you will feel at peace."going
> > Me: What! This seems to be a very negative view of the world and
> > life in general. So tell me again of the "great spiritual
> > significance" of the bundled together Eck compound. Is Klemp
> > to build high rise condos for Eckists on the Eckankar propertyand
> > wall it in! Will it be wholly self-sufficient with a naturalfoods
> > grocery etc., etc.? What will that cost, when will groundbreaking
> > begin, what are the qualifications and restrictions to get onthe
> > list? It's a good thing that (at least) Eckists won't have tohigh
> > and will "feel at peace."
> > HK: "Something will always be boiling over in human affairs. Yet
> > sanctuary, peace, and contentment are in ready supply in the
> > states of consciousness."
> > Me: So does this mean that there won't be an Eck compound and
> > rise condos near the ESC or Temple? Is happiness and peace justa
> > state of mind? How about the rest of the world for all thoseall
> > Vahanas - what are they to do? Ah, just close your eyes to it
> > and HU. Don't worry about the suffering of the non-believers(non-
> > Eckists) it's their karma! Don't worry about the animals either!them.
> > It's karmic! The LEM/Mahanta can't prevent the Kali Yuga or can
> > Can the love of the Mahanta the incarnation of Sugmad intervene?
> > Well, if he was actually all that he claims he could prevent war
> > his presence (and his H.I.'s) could even raise world
> consciousness -
> > BUT, Klemp's not really who or what he claims.
> > HK: "The Spiritual Exercises of ECK are your means to enter
> > They will be your solace. They are the spring-board to loveshines
> > to a love that excels all other things. Take heart, the sun
> > on all who love God, the ECK, and the Mahanta."(see
> > Me: What happened to Sugmad versus God? There is a difference
> > pages 385-386 in HK's Autobiography)! And, which "sun" doesKlemp
> > talk about? The one in this small insignificant solar system! ItThey
> > seems that Klemp is once again encouraging Eckists to feel and
> > behave as elitists and to place themselves upon pedestals above
> > others.
> > Yes, just do the S.E. of Eck and all will be well in your
> > and selfish little minds he instructs. Where did Klemp give true
> > direction or current answers for living in this here and now?
> > Conflict has always been with mankind, however, consciousness is
> > slowly increasing. Klemp paints a bleak picture as does other
> > religious fundamentalists who are anticipating the Rapture or
> > Armageddon or 72 virgins some other sort of nonsense to exclude
> > others. Talk is cheap for HK and this type of bible thumper.
> > know nothing of true Love or of Spirit. Religious leaders andnew
> > saviors are in the business of seeking followers to trick andscam
> > for whatever means they see fit and justified to use them for.questions
> > Many chelas have heard Klemp's pitiful side-stepping of
> > before and this is another reason for the lack concern. EckistsValley
> > become passive. They did not "miss" this article as the Sun
> > chela stated. really, is it any wonder that Vahana efforts arethe
> > difficult to get off the ground when Klemp encourages Eckists to
> > hide in a cave and HU themselves to sleep as a solution to the
> > upheavel in the world! Eckists should ask themselves how they
> > from a pebble. Is the whole Vahana effort to get people to use
> > HU as a sort of self-centered mind numbing drug, or to bring inand
> > annual $$$ memberships? Vahanas are like drug pushers! What good
> > Higher Consciousness if it is not used to benefit mankind and
> > it does not raise world or universal consciousness!?
> > Klemp's answers should really make Eckists re-think the position
> > Eckankar is taking in this world.
> > Prometheus
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