- Apr 15 12:33 PMHi All,
Yes, Eckists are both fearful and arrogant and Not very open,
tolerant, or forgiving. There is No Unconditional love for most
Eckists... it is all conditional and limiting when involving former
Eckists. Eckists are concerned with what higher
positioned "settlers" will think. They want to show that they can be
trusted, BUT this all comes back to those future Initiations that
they are fearful of Not receiving.
Everything in Eckankar is tied to the (1) initiations and (2)
positions of power and (3) notoriety. Most Eckists would be more
than happy to end up with a 7th initiation and to be an ESA. Others
want also to be a RESA! Some Eckists seek attention as a means for
power and want to be speakers at major and regional seminars. Other
Eckists want to be authors or at least have their stories mentioned
on stage (and in print) by Klemp or in an Eck publication. All of
these "things" are supposed to show Eckists and others (HK too) that
they are spiritually advanced! This is their "spiritual" currency.
It's a real bonus for an Eckist to recieve an 8th or 9th initiation
or for a female (Joan) to reach the Co-LEM (12th) initiation status.
The Catch-22 is that Klemp can decree that any Eckist has lost their
state of consciousness (and rank) at any given time, and for any
reason including conduct or speech. And, an Eckist can especially be
demoted or placed back (three years each incident) on the initiation
list if one stops paying their annual membership donation!
On another note, for some reason (as an Eckist) I never thought it
strange that a 12th (Klemp, or anyone) could demote a 14th (Gross)!?
[IMO]: The Karma that Eckists (and others) experience is directly
tied into the "ego." The more fear that one realizes requires more
compensation by either numbing or distracting the ego (through
drugs, sex, possesions, etc.) or by strengthing the ego. Delusion,
rationalizing, and tunnel vision increases as the ego realizes fear
and the flaws & weaknesses of the reality that "self" has created,
OR as it realizes the real "physical" threats to its limited
existance (life). The thoughts, feelings, and actions produced by
fear (and a lack of love and empathy) also produces Karma.
When "Soul" can see the total reality and purpose of life and can
balance the fun and love and "dharma" with the pain and loss (which
includes one's own death of the body) then one begins to see without
the clouded vision of ego. "Reality" then takes a shift into areas
of attentiveness that encompass "inner" and "outer" insights and a
blending of understanding.
Anyway, that's my take on it at this time. I hope everyone has a
great Easter weekend!
With the Karma thing, I'm of the same opinion as Liz. That we all
come here to follow a program of growth and experiences which we
agreed to and actually designed ourselves before we incarnated. This
is why each individual is unique and go through their own unique
With how Eckists treat us former Eckists, I think it is the fear
of losing their credibility with the cult if they are seen to be
associating with us so-called 'Kal agents.' I have lost a couple of
very good friends because I left the cult. Its a matter of 'if they
are not for us, then they are against us.' Also they believe in the
crap of being the 'chosen people' some kind of 'spiritual elite' who
must not associate themselves with us spiritual 'hoi poloi' or
renegades. If only they knew how pathetically deluded they are with
their phoney little godman.
always it is good to read here and to find all doubts and scepticims
in my ekult-time. Sometimes then I saw myself total nutty because
nobody else could understand what was the problem to me and I got
doubts of myself!
So also about karma. In ekult karma only is bad, but in the eastern
thinking, we produce also good karma. In ekult all good we do
is 'the Mahanta' within us, 'Thank you, Mahanta'. Only the bad doing
is my action? I never could believe, that the good I do is the merit
of the LEM, Mahanta!!
Is someone knowing about orders or instructions to HI's by the LEM
to treat friends who has left ekult? I couldn't understand, since
I've left e, my longstanding friend for years before I got eckist,
has changed so much in her relation to me. If possible, thanks for
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