1193Re: Challenging some of Ekult's absolute truths
- Mar 10, 2006Welcome to the group Kaye! I enjoy reading your comments.
I was wondering how you see the Four Zoas of Eckankar? Recently, in
the 03/2006 H.I. Letter, a H.I. commented that he no longer saw them
as, "a list of 'thou shalt nots' similar to the Ten Commandments,"
BUT sees "the Zoas" as "a flight manual, so to speak."
In the same article there is a quote by Klemp from the Golden Heart
chapter 11: "We are responsible for all the ripples created in
others by our anger, as well as the ripples they in turn pass along
to the next group. The higher you go as an initiate in ECK, the
greater your responsibility becomes. The Law of Love becomes very
Klemp's nasty and unloving comments in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter
toward the Third Temporary Postal Clerk, that Joan had the run-in
with regarding the Law of Economy, tends to negate his comments in
the above quote! Therefore, Klemp Not Only created ripples (Karma)
through his own anger, but also demonstrated that he lacks higher
consciousness by Not following the "Law of Love!" This is direct
proof that the Eck Initiations are a sham! Or, is it that Klemp just
can't admit that he falls to the lower Astral from time-to-time
(daily)! In any case, Eckists need to rethink and compare what is
said over there (09/2003 H.I. Letter) with what is said over here
(03/2006 H.I. Letter) by Klemp. He talks out of both sides of his
mouth just as one would expect from the KAL!
Hello Prometheus and everyone,
I've been enjoying your posts and wanted to join in, if you don't
As an ex-member turned observer of klemp and ekult, I would like to
challenge some of ekult's absolute truths.
1) The concept that twitch/gross/klemp each, in turn, serve as the
physical manifestation of God.
ME: Why would the source of ALL that exists in all planes of
existence both known and unknown to us HAVE to manifest in the
physical? Especially in such dubious vessels and by such dubious
methods? Twitch through plagiarism - gross's appointment by twitch's
widow - klemp by a Machiavellian take over.
2) The concept that we are all trapped by karma and reincarnation and
bound to this physical plane until we join ekult and have the lem's
protection. The lem's claim that he can take on our karma and
intervene in our lives. The claim that we can "burn off" karma by
monthly initiate reports, Friday fasts and of course, by those
ME: Doesn't this make a joke of the whole concept of karma? Karma, to
me, isn't about punishment, BUT is more about lessons in life. If we
learn the lesson, we move on, if not we repeat it until we do. What
if reincarnation is optional? We have a beautiful world to live in,
aside from the problems we create, BUT, let's face it, our world is
only a dust speck in the whole of existence. Surely there are other
places and opportunities for continued growth!
3) Ekult is the path of unconditional love, uplifting spiritual
growth and the most direct path to God.
ME: How can you find any sort of love in these teachings? They are
manipulative and used to implant fear and dependency. How can one
grow emotionally, mentally and especially spiritually by being
fearful and dependent?
Thanks for listening and good night.
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