RE: [E_Rapier] Rapier Peerage
- Yes, it means trademark, pardon the attempt at witticism. In terms of
ideals, no, I haven't gone looking for them. It would be an interesting
exercise in inter Kingdom anthropology, and when I find a spare minute, I'll
see what I can find.
From: E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:E_Rapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Aaron Miedema
Sent: February 17, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [E_Rapier] Rapier Peerage
OK.... Two questions. The first is because I'm a luddite... what does
this "(tm)" thing mean? Or is this some sort of trademark thing? =)
The second is the from the Ansteorran WS charter. Have you in your travels
come across any document stating the "ideals" of Ansteorra?
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM, EVE HARRIS <evedave1@...> wrote:
> Let us say, for the sake of discussion, that the Society does decide to
> institute a Rapier Peerage. I know that some people think that this is a
> Bad Idea(tm) and that other people think that there should be one peerage
> for all the other martial arts and some people think rapier should be
> incorporated into the existing peerages etc. But for now, I was hoping we
> could examine what a Rapier Peer would look like: what would their
> qualities be; what would be the expectations of them; what would they be
> Here are the three current bestowed Peerages and their descriptions as
> taken from the Kingdom website:
> Members of this Order have offered their service to the Society in such a
> way that they have had far-reaching, positive impact on the quality of the
> game for others. They have also shown themselves to be conversant with the
> arts and sciences, and courteous and chivalrous to all.
> This is a polling Order. For their great service, these gentles may wear
> the medallion of a pelican feeding its young with its own blood, and, if
> they wish, a cap of maintenance of scarlet and ermine. These peers may be
> addressed as "Master" or "Mistress".
> The Laurels of the Realm have shown mastery in areas of the medieval arts
> and sciences. As with other Peers of the Realm, they have shown themselves
> to be courteous and chivalrous.
> This is a polling order, and its members offer counsel to the Crown on
> prospective members. To recognize their position, they may wear a Laurel
> wreath as a medallion, upon their head, or in other diverse ways, and they
> are styled "Master" or "Mistress".
> Knight/Masters-at Arms:
> Given to individuals for mastery in armoured combat. Upon entering this
> order, recipients must choose to be part of one of two branches within
> order. Those who choose to become Knights may style themselves as 'Sir'.
> Those who choose to become Masters-at-Arms may style themselves as
> or 'Mistress'. This is a polling Order.
> These definitions don't provide a lot to go on. The common themes seem to
> be mastery in a paticular discipline and being courteous and chivalrous.
> Seems simple enough but from what I've heard it's actually a lot more
> complex. Even people's defintions of what courtesy and chivalry are seem
> vary. There's the whole concept of "peer-like" qualities, which from my
> quick search on the net seem pretty nebulous and not well defined. Earlier
> in the discussion someone mentioned that a person being considered for a
> peerage should be well known outside their own Kingdom, though the above
> definitions don't address that. Is it important?
> Oddly enough, the definition of the Grant level martial award actually
> gives a better understanding of what is called for in a member of that
> Order of Thorbjorn's Hammer
> Given to individuals who have exhibited excellence in a martial activity
> approved in Ealdormere; who demonstrate a knowledge of related skills
> and/or of other martial disciplines; who demonstrate a leadership role in
> martial activity, including a willingness to teach; who present a
> reasonably authentic appearance; and who provide an example of courtesy
> chivalry worthy of emulation. Recipients who do not already have a Grant
> Arms receive one automatically with this award. Recipients may style
> themselves 'The Honourable Lord' or 'The Honourable Lady' and may be
> addressed as 'Your Ladyship' or 'Your Lordship'.
> So, I'm thinking a rapier peer should be like the above, only more so. The
> question is what constitutes "more so". As Lady Jocelyn pointed out
> earlier, prowess is already a high requirement for a Grant level award.
> much more prowess would be required for a Peer? The Grant level mentions
> the willingness to teach, something not mentioned in the Peer definitions,
> but is often implied.
> Also, there is the White Scarf (WS), another Grant level award used by a
> number of Kingdoms to specifically recognize fencers. Here are the
> requirements of the WS, as defined in Ansteorra where it started:
> I. Establishment of the Order
> A. There shall exist in Ansteorra an Order
> which may be given at the pleasure of the Crown to members of the populace
> Ansteorra who have demonstrated all of the following qualities:
> Exceptional skill and chivalry in combat with the weapons of the duello.
> Service to Ansteorra and its people.
> 3. Knowledge of the courtly
> 4. Obedience to the laws and ideals of the Kingdom of Ansteorra and
> of the Society for Creative Anachronism.
> This Order shall be known as the
> Order of the White Scarf of Ansteorra, and shall hereinafter be referred
> to as
> the Order.
> B. Holders of the Order shall be entitled to place after their
> names the letters "W.S.A." to designate their membership in the Order, and
> be styled and announced in procession as "Holders of the White Scarf of
> So, we have a similar set of requirements to the OTH. Again, the
> questions, how much more can these be upped for a Peerage, as the
> requirements are already pretty high.
> There is an interesting series of essays on peerages by Master Hector that
> can be found here:
> I haven't had a chance to read them all, but I think they might prove
> interesting food for thought.
> If a Rapier Peerage was to be created, I think that the term Master or
> Mistress of Defence has a nice ring to it. It has some
> historical precedence, is consistent with the current titles, and doesn't
> specifically refer to rapier, which is one out many weapons that we use.
> I'm not sure what the order itself would be called. One idea that popped
> into my head was the Order of Defenders, which is sort of ironic as the
> whole concept may need a bit of defence.
> These are some of my thoughts, I hope you can share some of yours. Please
> make sure you also share your thoughts with the Board of Directors of the
> SCA and the committee that will be formed to examine the possibility of a
> rapier peerage. I know I will.
> Yours in Service
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Aaron Miedema, B.F.A., B.A., M.A.
Author of *Bayonets and Blobsticks, The Canadian Experience of Close Combat
1915-1918*, available from Legacy Books Press.
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