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  • Themes86@aol.com
    His Grace, King Dirk Steadfast Tredach ... His Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ... Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ... We of the Great Library can
    Message 1 of 28 , Jan 1, 2009
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      His Grace, King Dirk Steadfast Tredach ...


      His Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...


      Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...


      We of the Great Library can not support the destruction of any scrolls, tomes, or books of any kind no matter the intent of the original enscriber of the contained information.


      Such documents have a significant historical value that might not be seen now, but could serve the Kingdom in the future. This applies to documents that clearly benefit the kingdom and its people now as well as those intended to cause harm.


      I do not mean to imply that all such information should be made available for public eyes. Certainly, those that spread the foul influence of dark gods, teach the skills of demonology, or outline the foul cerimony of the Shadow Magi, to name but a few, should not be left to public hands. Such documents should be cataloged and secured by the Crown, Church, and/or other authorities designated by the same.


      The reason to keep such text is so that we know what evils can be unleashed against us. We can never be certain you have destroyed the last copy of a particularly foul book. Should some loathsome dark god slip some minion through the cracks of reality and seduce some dupe to evil, we will have no comparison to the diabolical power they might unleash. By keeping such documents intact as references only, we better arm ourselves, and future generations, in the fight to protect the Kingdom and the world.


      Think of the recent actions taken against libraries of the Kingdom. Books stolen by extra dimensional agents, gathered together, and burned. The Great Library and its allies, of which the Dei Vigilare were prominent, have been able to put an end to these creature's foul plans at Book Burner's Furnace. Some of the books have been recovered before the entire collection was destroyed. Still, who knows how much valuable information has been lost. Did some of those books hold a secret that could be used in the battle against the Goblins of the North? The Antitheticals? Or even this new threat of Lord Lexor? We will never know now.


      Let us not do the enemies' work for them. Capture, recover, and catalog all information. Share that which expouses good so that all are better armed against the coming darkness. Lock away that which expouses evil that we may reference it when needed in particular battles. These documents can't do anything by themselves. Only the actions of their readers can be judged as good or evil.


      Lydia Fermain
      Priestess of the Gods of Light
      Secretary of the Great Library


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • svachal
      Priestess Fermain, Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled with wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the
      Message 2 of 28 , Jan 1, 2009
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        Priestess Fermain,

        Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled with
        wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the innocent
        with evil.

        No, certain texts should be destroyed for our own safety.

        Morgut,
        HP, Bereny

        --- In DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com, Themes86@... wrote:
        >
        >
        > His Grace, King Dirk Steadfast Tredach ...
        >
        >
        > His Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...
        >
        >
        > Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...
        >
        >
        > We of the Great Library can not support the destruction of any
        scrolls, tomes, or books of any kind no matter the intent of the
        original enscriber of the contained information.
        >
        >
        > Such documents have a significant historical value that might not be
        seen now, but could serve the Kingdom in the future. This applies to
        documents that clearly benefit the kingdom and its people now as well
        as those intended to cause harm.
        >
        >
        > I do not mean to imply that all such information should be made
        available for public eyes. Certainly, those that spread the foul
        influence of dark gods, teach the skills of demonology, or outline the
        foul cerimony of the Shadow Magi, to name but a few, should not be
        left to public hands. Such documents should be cataloged and secured
        by the Crown, Church, and/or other authorities designated by the same.
        >
        >
        > The reason to keep such text is so that we know what evils can be
        unleashed against us. We can never be certain you have destroyed the
        last copy of a particularly foul book. Should some loathsome dark god
        slip some minion through the cracks of reality and seduce some dupe to
        evil, we will have no comparison to the diabolical power they might
        unleash. By keeping such documents intact as references only, we
        better arm ourselves, and future generations, in the fight to protect
        the Kingdom and the world.
        >
        >
        > Think of the recent actions taken against libraries of the Kingdom.
        Books stolen by extra dimensional agents, gathered together, and
        burned. The Great Library and its allies, of which the Dei Vigilare
        were prominent, have been able to put an end to these creature's foul
        plans at Book Burner's Furnace. Some of the books have been recovered
        before the entire collection was destroyed. Still, who knows how much
        valuable information has been lost. Did some of those books hold a
        secret that could be used in the battle against the Goblins of the
        North? The Antitheticals? Or even this new threat of Lord Lexor? We
        will never know now.
        >
        >
        > Let us not do the enemies' work for them. Capture, recover, and
        catalog all information. Share that which expouses good so that all
        are better armed against the coming darkness. Lock away that which
        expouses evil that we may reference it when needed in particular
        battles. These documents can't do anything by themselves. Only the
        actions of their readers can be judged as good or evil.
        >
        >
        > Lydia Fermain
        > Priestess of the Gods of Light
        > Secretary of the Great Library
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • Wayne Gildroy
        When the written word s mere existence threatens the safety and even the existence of human kind, we of Gods Vigilant find this type of entreaty unworthy of
        Message 3 of 28 , Jan 1, 2009
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          When the written word's mere existence threatens the safety and even the existence of human kind, we of Gods' Vigilant find this type of entreaty unworthy of attention.

          Writings that can pervert the human character, give sustenance to dark rebellions, and undermine all that is good in our world cannot...yes, CANNOT(!!!)... be permitted to exist!!! Think about what you say! Your words venture on the outer boundaries of hersey!

          These items and writings are things whose mere existence can destroy all that we hold dear. Yet, words pour forth from quills of those who appear to be clearly vulnerable to manipulation that suggest that such things are somehow benign and worthy of "study." Ridiculous! Profane!!! The dark and evil powers which want them to hold sway cackle in delight that some mortals deem themselves and the arrogance of their supposed intellectual curiousity to make them immune from the perversion that festers in such things. Any group that has had a leader succumb to evil and the darkness to the sorrow of its membership should be more mindful of what they advocate!!

          We of Gods' Vigilant absolutely and without qualification reject this request. The mere existence of such items and writings is a dagger to the heart of all that we hold dear and cannot..and WILL NOT... be tolerated.

          Anything in symbol or writing that we find that sustains, nutures, advances, or enhances daemonology or vampirism will be utterly destroyed and there is NO basis in the Eyes of The Gods of Light or under the laws of Bereny that supports or even permits any different conclusion.

          The Gods of Light, in Their Infinite Wisdom, deem such an outcome required and we of Dei Vigilare shall assure that any such items shall not have any opportunity to pervert the character of all that is good in our Kingdom. There is no basis or justification to assert otherwise.

          We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one such item. Without hestitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather than risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ...

          And so, by the Flames of Vigilance, shall it and whatever heretical and profane contents it might have be utterly eradicated from existence!!! So shall similarly be the fate of anything similar that comes into our possession.

          Now, Gods' Vigilant! So shall we also destroy anything similar that we may find in The Abyss, the Castle of Count Kaine, and the Pits of Poldoon!

          So say The Beloved Gods of Light and so shall we, Their devote servants, make it so!!!

          Dei Eligere
          Dei Vigilare




          --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Themes86@... <Themes86@...> wrote:

          From: Themes86@... <Themes86@...>
          Subject: [DungeonWorld] On Destroying Books ...
          To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:20 AM


          His Grace, King Dirk Steadfast Tredach ...

          His Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...

          Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...

          We of the Great Library can not support the destruction of any scrolls, tomes, or books of any kind no matter the intent of the original enscriber of the contained information.

          Such documents have a significant historical value that might not be seen now, but could serve the Kingdom in the future. This applies to documents that clearly benefit the kingdom and its people now as well as those intended to cause harm.

          I do not mean to imply that all such information should be made available for public eyes. Certainly, those that spread the foul influence of dark gods, teach the skills of demonology, or outline the foul cerimony of the Shadow Magi, to name but a few, should not be left to public hands. Such documents should be cataloged and secured by the Crown, Church, and/or other authorities designated by the same.

          The reason to keep such text is so that we know what evils can be unleashed against us. We can never be certain you have destroyed the last copy of a particularly foul book. Should some loathsome dark god slip some minion through the cracks of reality and seduce some dupe to evil, we will have no comparison to the diabolical power they might unleash. By keeping such documents intact as references only, we better arm ourselves, and future generations, in the fight to protect the Kingdom and the world.

          Think of the recent actions taken against libraries of the Kingdom. Books stolen by extra dimensional agents, gathered together, and burned. The Great Library and its allies, of which the Dei Vigilare were prominent, have been able to put an end to these creature's foul plans at Book Burner's Furnace. Some of the books have been recovered before the entire collection was destroyed. Still, who knows how much valuable information has been lost. Did some of those books hold a secret that could be used in the battle against the Goblins of the North? The Antitheticals? Or even this new threat of Lord Lexor? We will never know now.

          Let us not do the enemies' work for them. Capture, recover, and catalog all information. Share that which expouses good so that all are better armed against the coming darkness. Lock away that which expouses evil that we may reference it when needed in particular battles. These documents can't do anything by themselves. Only the actions of their readers can be judged as good or evil.

          Lydia Fermain
          Priestess of the Gods of Light
          Secretary of the Great Library

          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        • Wayne Gildroy
          Your Grace, High Priest Morgut, We of Dei Vigilare hear your words and know them to be truly inspired by The Gods of Light!! You may trust that we shall be
          Message 4 of 28 , Jan 1, 2009
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            Your Grace, High Priest Morgut,

            We of Dei Vigilare hear your words and know them to be truly inspired by The Gods of Light!!

            You may trust that we shall be among your worldly servants in this regard and will dutiful support you in this regard.

            The first of the suspected heretical items will be utterly destroyed this coming day. May The Gods of Light be praised for leading us to this item first!!

            The good people of Bereny shall be saved from those mortals who arrogantly believe that they can read and/or use the darkest verses and aspects of daemonology or vampirism and still retain their virtue and goodness!

            We have our sights set on the blasphemous entity that calls itself Lexor. For threatening you, our King, and the Kingdom of Bereny, we shall ensure that it will burn into nothingness within the Holy Fire of our Lord Selador!!!!

            Dei Eligere
            Dei Vigilare



            --- On Thu, 1/1/09, svachal <grunduggerer@...> wrote:

            From: svachal <grunduggerer@...>
            Subject: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
            To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 5:06 PM


            Priestess Fermain,

            Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled with
            wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the innocent
            with evil.

            No, certain texts should be destroyed for our own safety.

            Morgut,
            HP, Bereny

            --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Themes86@... wrote:
            >
            >
            > His Grace, King Dirk Steadfast Tredach ...
            >
            >
            > His Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...
            >
            >
            > Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...
            >
            >
            > We of the Great Library can not support the destruction of any
            scrolls, tomes, or books of any kind no matter the intent of the
            original enscriber of the contained information.
            >
            >
            > Such documents have a significant historical value that might not be
            seen now, but could serve the Kingdom in the future. This applies to
            documents that clearly benefit the kingdom and its people now as well
            as those intended to cause harm.
            >
            >
            > I do not mean to imply that all such information should be made
            available for public eyes. Certainly, those that spread the foul
            influence of dark gods, teach the skills of demonology, or outline the
            foul cerimony of the Shadow Magi, to name but a few, should not be
            left to public hands. Such documents should be cataloged and secured
            by the Crown, Church, and/or other authorities designated by the same.
            >
            >
            > The reason to keep such text is so that we know what evils can be
            unleashed against us. We can never be certain you have destroyed the
            last copy of a particularly foul book. Should some loathsome dark god
            slip some minion through the cracks of reality and seduce some dupe to
            evil, we will have no comparison to the diabolical power they might
            unleash. By keeping such documents intact as references only, we
            better arm ourselves, and future generations, in the fight to protect
            the Kingdom and the world.
            >
            >
            > Think of the recent actions taken against libraries of the Kingdom.
            Books stolen by extra dimensional agents, gathered together, and
            burned. The Great Library and its allies, of which the Dei Vigilare
            were prominent, have been able to put an end to these creature's foul
            plans at Book Burner's Furnace. Some of the books have been recovered
            before the entire collection was destroyed. Still, who knows how much
            valuable information has been lost. Did some of those books hold a
            secret that could be used in the battle against the Goblins of the
            North? The Antitheticals? Or even this new threat of Lord Lexor? We
            will never know now.
            >
            >
            > Let us not do the enemies' work for them. Capture, recover, and
            catalog all information. Share that which expouses good so that all
            are better armed against the coming darkness. Lock away that which
            expouses evil that we may reference it when needed in particular
            battles. These documents can't do anything by themselves. Only the
            actions of their readers can be judged as good or evil.
            >
            >
            > Lydia Fermain
            > Priestess of the Gods of Light
            > Secretary of the Great Library
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
          • Frank de Vocht
            Your Grace, King Steadfast, and High Priest Morgut,   I would imagine that this does not come as a great surprise, but we agree on this matter with priestess
            Message 5 of 28 , Jan 2, 2009
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              Your Grace, King Steadfast, and High Priest Morgut,
               
              I would imagine that this does not come as a great surprise, but we agree on this matter with priestess Fermain and The Great Library. One indeed does the enemies work if one
              decides to destroy any tomes of kowledge on the dark ways of the demons or even the non-dangerous historical books describing our history, that our enemies have so fanatically tried to hide from us. These books should indeed be cataloged and, if deemed necessary, be guarded and studied by groups of different backgrounds (in contrast to individuals) to ensure that their content is known to all those protecting the freedom of Bereny.
              We urge both His Grace as well as the Lord High Priest to reconsider this matter and stop the book furnace of Dei Vigilante before this knowledge is lost forever! The Vampire Council hereby offers any help needed to safely guide any artifacts found to The Great Library where we are sure they can be stored safely until a decision on who will study them will be reached.
               
              Lady Winterfall
              on behalf of The Vampire Council
               


















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            • themes86
              Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ... Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ... Rest assured, it is not sentiment that drives my position on this. It
              Message 6 of 28 , Jan 2, 2009
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                Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...

                Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...

                Rest assured, it is not sentiment that drives my position on this. It
                is through study of the words of the Gods of Light and faith in them
                that I have come to this conclusion. Only after long hours of
                meditation and prayer on these, did I seek the knowledgable and
                advice of my peers in the Great Library so that I might speak on the
                guild's behalf.

                I do understand the dangers that some of the most wicked and
                blasphemous writings may impose on the common man. Even those strong
                in faith and piety might fall victim if they falter in their faith.
                Thus my acertion that the darkest of these be secured by Crown,
                Church, and/or the agents they designate. Further, that if they are
                needed, only the most pious, knowledgable, and faithful, with the
                support of their breathern to overwatch them, be sought to undertake
                the task of reading these tomes. Until then, they should be locked
                away.

                Certainly, if a book is physically too weak to transport and too
                dangerous to leave intact were it is, it should be destroyed. If dark
                knowledge is carved into the walls of a blasphemous temple and it
                can't be transcribed, then it and the temple both destroyed.
                Knowledge must bow to wisdom when circumstance dictacts.

                But if knowledge can be preserved and safely done so, then the
                opportunity should be taken to do it.

                While the Great Library doesn't condon the destruction of such
                documents, rest assured, we would equally not condon the assault by
                one good adventurer who felt as we do, against another good
                adventurer who sought to destroy such things.

                There is wisdom in the High Priest's words. Any good adventurer who
                is listening would be a fool to dismiss this, but the Gods of Light
                through their words to us also advocate understanding. The
                destruction of knowledge when circumstance allows other options can
                be equally dangerous to the faithful and the world when too quickly
                dismissed.

                Lydia Fermain
                Priestess of the Gods of Light
                Secretary of the Great Library

                --- On Thu, 1/1/09, svachal <grunduggerer@...> wrote:

                >>Priestess Fermain,

                Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled
                with wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the
                innocent with evil.

                No, certain texts should be destroyed for our own safety.

                Morgut,
                HP, Bereny<<

                --- On Thu, 1/1/09, wrgild <wrgild@...> wrote:

                >>When the written word's mere existence threatens the safety and
                even the existence of human kind, we of Gods' Vigilant find this type
                of entreaty unworthy of attention.

                Writings that can pervert the human character, give sustenance to
                dark rebellions, and undermine all that is good in our world
                cannot ... yes, CANNOT(!!!) ... be permitted to exist!!! Think about
                what you say! Your words venture on the outer boundaries of hersey!

                These items and writings are things whose mere existence can destroy
                all that we hold dear. Yet, words pour forth from quills of those who
                appear to be clearly vulnerable to manipulation that suggest that
                such things are somehow benign and worthy of "study." Ridiculous!
                Profane!!! The dark and evil powers which want them to hold sway
                cackle in delight that some mortals deem themselves and the arrogance
                of their supposed intellectual curiousity to make them immune from
                the perversion that festers in such things. Any group that has had a
                leader succumb to evil and the darkness to the sorrow of its
                membership should be more mindful of what they advocate!!

                We of Gods' Vigilant absolutely and without qualification reject this
                request. The mere existence of such items and writings is a dagger to
                the heart of all that we hold dear and cannot..and WILL NOT... be
                tolerated.

                Anything in symbol or writing that we find that sustains, nutures,
                advances, or enhances daemonology or vampirism will be utterly
                destroyed and there is NO basis in the Eyes of The Gods of Light or
                under the laws of Bereny that supports or even permits any different
                conclusion.

                The Gods of Light, in Their Infinite Wisdom, deem such an outcome
                required and we of Dei Vigilare shall assure that any such items
                shall not have any opportunity to pervert the character of all that
                is good in our Kingdom. There is no basis or justification to assert
                otherwise.

                We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one
                such item. Without hestitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X)
                rather than risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ...

                And so, by the Flames of Vigilance, shall it and whatever heretical
                and profane contents it might have be utterly eradicated from
                existence!!! So shall similarly be the fate of anything similar that
                comes into our possession.

                Now, Gods' Vigilant! So shall we also destroy anything similar that
                we may find in The Abyss, the Castle of Count Kaine, and the Pits of
                Poldoon!

                So say The Beloved Gods of Light and so shall we, Their devote
                servants, make it so!!!

                Dei Eligere
                Dei Vigilare<<
              • Frank de Vocht
                Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter, Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman, Lydia Fermain,   I almost totally agree with your point of view. However, we
                Message 7 of 28 , Jan 2, 2009
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                  Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter, Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman, Lydia Fermain,
                   
                  I almost totally agree with your point of view. However, we do not believe that for example any carvings found in the walls of temples of evil and dark demons or gods should be destroyed without these being either copied for further study in a safe environment, or be guarded by His Grace's soldiers until a team of scholars, priests and vampires can be send to study its messages and secrets.
                   
                  Lady Winterfal
                  on behalf of The Vampire Council

                  --- On Fri, 2/1/09, themes86 <Themes86@...> wrote:

                  From: themes86 <Themes86@...>
                  Subject: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                  To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:18 PM






                  Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...

                  Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...

                  Rest assured, it is not sentiment that drives my position on this. It
                  is through study of the words of the Gods of Light and faith in them
                  that I have come to this conclusion. Only after long hours of
                  meditation and prayer on these, did I seek the knowledgable and
                  advice of my peers in the Great Library so that I might speak on the
                  guild's behalf.

                  I do understand the dangers that some of the most wicked and
                  blasphemous writings may impose on the common man. Even those strong
                  in faith and piety might fall victim if they falter in their faith.
                  Thus my acertion that the darkest of these be secured by Crown,
                  Church, and/or the agents they designate. Further, that if they are
                  needed, only the most pious, knowledgable, and faithful, with the
                  support of their breathern to overwatch them, be sought to undertake
                  the task of reading these tomes. Until then, they should be locked
                  away.

                  Certainly, if a book is physically too weak to transport and too
                  dangerous to leave intact were it is, it should be destroyed. If dark
                  knowledge is carved into the walls of a blasphemous temple and it
                  can't be transcribed, then it and the temple both destroyed.
                  Knowledge must bow to wisdom when circumstance dictacts.

                  But if knowledge can be preserved and safely done so, then the
                  opportunity should be taken to do it.

                  While the Great Library doesn't condon the destruction of such
                  documents, rest assured, we would equally not condon the assault by
                  one good adventurer who felt as we do, against another good
                  adventurer who sought to destroy such things.

                  There is wisdom in the High Priest's words. Any good adventurer who
                  is listening would be a fool to dismiss this, but the Gods of Light
                  through their words to us also advocate understanding. The
                  destruction of knowledge when circumstance allows other options can
                  be equally dangerous to the faithful and the world when too quickly
                  dismissed.

                  Lydia Fermain
                  Priestess of the Gods of Light
                  Secretary of the Great Library

                  --- On Thu, 1/1/09, svachal <grunduggerer@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                  >>Priestess Fermain,

                  Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled
                  with wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the
                  innocent with evil.

                  No, certain texts should be destroyed for our own safety.

                  Morgut,
                  HP, Bereny<<

                  --- On Thu, 1/1/09, wrgild <wrgild@yahoo. com> wrote:

                  >>When the written word's mere existence threatens the safety and
                  even the existence of human kind, we of Gods' Vigilant find this type
                  of entreaty unworthy of attention.

                  Writings that can pervert the human character, give sustenance to
                  dark rebellions, and undermine all that is good in our world
                  cannot ... yes, CANNOT(!!!) ... be permitted to exist!!! Think about
                  what you say! Your words venture on the outer boundaries of hersey!

                  These items and writings are things whose mere existence can destroy
                  all that we hold dear. Yet, words pour forth from quills of those who
                  appear to be clearly vulnerable to manipulation that suggest that
                  such things are somehow benign and worthy of "study." Ridiculous!
                  Profane!!! The dark and evil powers which want them to hold sway
                  cackle in delight that some mortals deem themselves and the arrogance
                  of their supposed intellectual curiousity to make them immune from
                  the perversion that festers in such things. Any group that has had a
                  leader succumb to evil and the darkness to the sorrow of its
                  membership should be more mindful of what they advocate!!

                  We of Gods' Vigilant absolutely and without qualification reject this
                  request. The mere existence of such items and writings is a dagger to
                  the heart of all that we hold dear and cannot..and WILL NOT... be
                  tolerated.

                  Anything in symbol or writing that we find that sustains, nutures,
                  advances, or enhances daemonology or vampirism will be utterly
                  destroyed and there is NO basis in the Eyes of The Gods of Light or
                  under the laws of Bereny that supports or even permits any different
                  conclusion.

                  The Gods of Light, in Their Infinite Wisdom, deem such an outcome
                  required and we of Dei Vigilare shall assure that any such items
                  shall not have any opportunity to pervert the character of all that
                  is good in our Kingdom. There is no basis or justification to assert
                  otherwise.

                  We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one
                  such item. Without hestitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X)
                  rather than risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ...

                  And so, by the Flames of Vigilance, shall it and whatever heretical
                  and profane contents it might have be utterly eradicated from
                  existence!!! So shall similarly be the fate of anything similar that
                  comes into our possession.

                  Now, Gods' Vigilant! So shall we also destroy anything similar that
                  we may find in The Abyss, the Castle of Count Kaine, and the Pits of
                  Poldoon!

                  So say The Beloved Gods of Light and so shall we, Their devote
                  servants, make it so!!!

                  Dei Eligere
                  Dei Vigilare<<


















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                • wrgild@yahoo.com
                  If His Majesty the King demands it, then we of Gods Vigilant will obey his directive. Otherwise, we intend to act as I have stated. Dei Eligere Dei Vigilare
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jan 2, 2009
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                    If His Majesty the King demands it, then we of Gods' Vigilant will obey his directive.

                    Otherwise, we intend to act as I have stated.

                    Dei Eligere
                    Dei Vigilare
                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Frank de Vocht <fdevocht@...>

                    Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:37:43
                    To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...


                    Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter, Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman, Lydia Fermain,
                     
                    I almost totally agree with your point of view. However, we do not believe that for example any carvings found in the walls of temples of evil and dark demons or gods should be destroyed without these being either copied for further study in a safe environment, or be guarded by His Grace's soldiers until a team of scholars, priests and vampires can be send to study its messages and secrets.
                     
                    Lady Winterfal
                    on behalf of The Vampire Council

                    --- On Fri, 2/1/09, themes86 <Themes86@...> wrote:

                    From: themes86 <Themes86@...>
                    Subject: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                    To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:18 PM






                    Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter ...

                    Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman ...

                    Rest assured, it is not sentiment that drives my position on this. It
                    is through study of the words of the Gods of Light and faith in them
                    that I have come to this conclusion. Only after long hours of
                    meditation and prayer on these, did I seek the knowledgable and
                    advice of my peers in the Great Library so that I might speak on the
                    guild's behalf.

                    I do understand the dangers that some of the most wicked and
                    blasphemous writings may impose on the common man. Even those strong
                    in faith and piety might fall victim if they falter in their faith.
                    Thus my acertion that the darkest of these be secured by Crown,
                    Church, and/or the agents they designate. Further, that if they are
                    needed, only the most pious, knowledgable, and faithful, with the
                    support of their breathern to overwatch them, be sought to undertake
                    the task of reading these tomes. Until then, they should be locked
                    away.

                    Certainly, if a book is physically too weak to transport and too
                    dangerous to leave intact were it is, it should be destroyed. If dark
                    knowledge is carved into the walls of a blasphemous temple and it
                    can't be transcribed, then it and the temple both destroyed.
                    Knowledge must bow to wisdom when circumstance dictacts.

                    But if knowledge can be preserved and safely done so, then the
                    opportunity should be taken to do it.

                    While the Great Library doesn't condon the destruction of such
                    documents, rest assured, we would equally not condon the assault by
                    one good adventurer who felt as we do, against another good
                    adventurer who sought to destroy such things.

                    There is wisdom in the High Priest's words. Any good adventurer who
                    is listening would be a fool to dismiss this, but the Gods of Light
                    through their words to us also advocate understanding. The
                    destruction of knowledge when circumstance allows other options can
                    be equally dangerous to the faithful and the world when too quickly
                    dismissed.

                    Lydia Fermain
                    Priestess of the Gods of Light
                    Secretary of the Great Library

                    --- On Thu, 1/1/09, svachal <grunduggerer@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                    >>Priestess Fermain,

                    Your sentiment is admirable, but some texts are simply too filled
                    with wickedness to be kept intact. Even reading them can fill the
                    innocent with evil.

                    No, certain texts should be destroyed for our own safety.

                    Morgut,
                    HP, Bereny<<

                    --- On Thu, 1/1/09, wrgild <wrgild@yahoo. com> wrote:

                    >>When the written word's mere existence threatens the safety and
                    even the existence of human kind, we of Gods' Vigilant find this type
                    of entreaty unworthy of attention.

                    Writings that can pervert the human character, give sustenance to
                    dark rebellions, and undermine all that is good in our world
                    cannot ... yes, CANNOT(!!!) ... be permitted to exist!!! Think about
                    what you say! Your words venture on the outer boundaries of hersey!

                    These items and writings are things whose mere existence can destroy
                    all that we hold dear. Yet, words pour forth from quills of those who
                    appear to be clearly vulnerable to manipulation that suggest that
                    such things are somehow benign and worthy of "study." Ridiculous!
                    Profane!!! The dark and evil powers which want them to hold sway
                    cackle in delight that some mortals deem themselves and the arrogance
                    of their supposed intellectual curiousity to make them immune from
                    the perversion that festers in such things. Any group that has had a
                    leader succumb to evil and the darkness to the sorrow of its
                    membership should be more mindful of what they advocate!!

                    We of Gods' Vigilant absolutely and without qualification reject this
                    request. The mere existence of such items and writings is a dagger to
                    the heart of all that we hold dear and cannot..and WILL NOT... be
                    tolerated.

                    Anything in symbol or writing that we find that sustains, nutures,
                    advances, or enhances daemonology or vampirism will be utterly
                    destroyed and there is NO basis in the Eyes of The Gods of Light or
                    under the laws of Bereny that supports or even permits any different
                    conclusion.

                    The Gods of Light, in Their Infinite Wisdom, deem such an outcome
                    required and we of Dei Vigilare shall assure that any such items
                    shall not have any opportunity to pervert the character of all that
                    is good in our Kingdom. There is no basis or justification to assert
                    otherwise.

                    We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one
                    such item. Without hestitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X)
                    rather than risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ...

                    And so, by the Flames of Vigilance, shall it and whatever heretical
                    and profane contents it might have be utterly eradicated from
                    existence!!! So shall similarly be the fate of anything similar that
                    comes into our possession.

                    Now, Gods' Vigilant! So shall we also destroy anything similar that
                    we may find in The Abyss, the Castle of Count Kaine, and the Pits of
                    Poldoon!

                    So say The Beloved Gods of Light and so shall we, Their devote
                    servants, make it so!!!

                    Dei Eligere
                    Dei Vigilare<<


















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                  • Themes86@aol.com
                    Vampire ... Who do you seek to communicate with? While the Great Library may be persuasive, I doubt the High Priest and Dei Eligere have been change to our
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                      Vampire ...


                      Who do you seek to communicate with? While the Great Library may be persuasive, I doubt the High Priest and Dei Eligere have been change to our position on this matter. Lumping the three together in your address makes no sense.


                      Lydia Fermain
                      Priestess of the Gods of Light
                      Secretary of the Great Library


                      >>Your Grace, High Priest Morgut Turnipcutter, Dei Eligere, Baron Amdrel Gettleman, Lydia Fermain,
                      ?
                      I almost totally agree with your point of view. However, we do not believe that for example any carvings found in the walls of temples of evil and dark demons or gods should be destroyed without these being either copied for further study in a safe environment, or be guarded by His Grace's soldiers until a team of scholars, priests and vampires can be send to study its messages and secrets.
                      ?
                      Lady Winterfal
                      on behalf of The Vampire Council<<


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                    • Ian Edwards
                      ... I ll bet it does. I m sure the Guild of Shadows would be happy to offer traders to safely guide their gold for them but they would be fools to agree.
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                        > The Vampire Council hereby offers any help needed to safely guide any
                        > artifacts found to The Great Library....

                        I'll bet it does.

                        I'm sure the Guild of Shadows would be happy to offer traders to 'safely
                        guide' their gold for them but they would be fools to agree.

                        Father Stigand
                        Vox Primus of the DV
                      • casadra@crescent-moon.net
                        ... Spoken like an idiot - from complete and utter ignorance. You have obviously never actually had any dealings with the Guild. If the goods of our business
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                          Ian Edwards wrote:
                          >> The Vampire Council hereby offers any help needed to safely guide any
                          >> artifacts found to The Great Library....
                          >
                          > I'll bet it does.
                          >
                          > I'm sure the Guild of Shadows would be happy to offer traders to 'safely
                          > guide' their gold for them but they would be fools to agree.
                          >
                          > Father Stigand
                          > Vox Primus of the DV



                          Spoken like an idiot - from complete and utter ignorance.

                          You have obviously never actually had any dealings with the Guild.
                          If the goods of our business associates started going missing, then no
                          one would actually conduct any future business with us now then would they?
                          The safest thing you could ever do to protect your belongings is to pay
                          the Guild of Shadows to transport them for you.

                          One thing you could be sure about, we certainly wouldn't go burning
                          perfectly profitable goods just because of some stupid religious zealotry!


                          Casadra,
                          just Casadra.


                          OOC:
                          Rules of the Guild of Shadows:

                          Rule number 1, do not talk about the Guild of Shadows. Rule number 2, DO
                          NOT TALK ABOUT THE GUILD OF SHADOWS...


                          Damn, looks like I broke rule #1 AND #2.
                        • svachal
                          Crazy fanatic. I can hear you yelling half-way across Bereny. Even if you are right you re not doing your side any favors being all !!!!!!!!! . Have a cup
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                            Crazy fanatic. I can hear you yelling half-way across Bereny. Even
                            if you are right you're not doing your side any favors being all
                            "!!!!!!!!!". Have a cup of tea. Relax. - Azzy

                            >
                            > Your Grace, High Priest Morgut,
                            >
                            > We of Dei Vigilare hear your words and know them to be truly
                            inspired by The Gods of Light!!
                            >
                            > You may trust that we shall be among your worldly servants in this
                            regard and will dutiful support you in this regard.
                            >
                            > The first of the suspected heretical items will be utterly destroyed
                            this coming day. May The Gods of Light be praised for leading us to
                            this item first!!
                            >
                            > The good people of Bereny shall be saved from those mortals who
                            arrogantly believe that they can read and/or use the darkest verses
                            and aspects of daemonology or vampirism and still retain their virtue
                            and goodness!
                            >
                            > We have our sights set on the blasphemous entity that calls itself
                            Lexor. For threatening you, our King, and the Kingdom of Bereny, we
                            shall ensure that it will burn into nothingness within the Holy Fire
                            of our Lord Selador!!!!
                            >
                            > Dei Eligere
                            > Dei Vigilare
                          • svachal
                            Vampire Winterfall, I am of course not surprised that you would wish to keep these malign works for your own benefit. Many of my councillors have discussed
                            Message 13 of 28 , Jan 3, 2009
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                              Vampire Winterfall,

                              I am of course not surprised that you would wish to keep these malign
                              works for your own benefit. Many of my councillors have discussed the
                              matter and see no benefit in allowing them to exist. However, a
                              question arises which is relevant. To wit:

                              How does one determine a text to be evil without reading it first?

                              Certainly this is an important question. The Holy Mother Church does
                              approve of books and knowledge, for it is what the faithful use in
                              conjunction with the strength the Right and Holy Six give them to
                              drive back wickedness wherever it may arise.

                              However, there are most certainly ways by which this can be
                              determined. Most important in this is that the faithful should be
                              able to sense the wickedness literally oozing from the pages. Such
                              works would leave a stench in their nostrils and their flesh would
                              crawl to even touch them.

                              It is on this basis that I trust the Dei Vigilare to identify which
                              texts should be destroyed, and which should be recovered.

                              Morgut,
                              HP, Bereny

                              > Your Grace, King Steadfast, and High Priest Morgut,
                              >  
                              > I would imagine that this does not come as a great surprise, but we
                              agree on this matter with priestess Fermain and The Great Library.
                              One indeed does the enemies work if one decides to destroy any tomes
                              of kowledge on the dark ways of the demons or even the non-dangerous
                              historical books describing our history, that our enemies have so
                              fanatically tried to hide from us. These books should indeed be
                              cataloged and, if deemed necessary, be guarded and studied by groups
                              of different backgrounds (in contrast to individuals) to ensure that
                              their content is known to all those protecting the freedom of Bereny.
                              > We urge both His Grace as well as the Lord High Priest to reconsider
                              this matter and stop the book furnace of Dei Vigilante before this
                              knowledge is lost forever! The Vampire Council hereby offers any help
                              needed to safely guide any artifacts found to The Great Library where
                              we are sure they can be stored safely until a decision on who will
                              study them will be reached.
                              >  
                              > Lady Winterfall
                              > on behalf of The Vampire Council
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >
                            • wrgild@yahoo.com
                              Your Grace, Most Holy Father, We of Gods Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of the
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                                Your Grace, Most Holy Father,

                                We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!

                                Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.

                                We thank you, Holy Father, for your faith in we, your devote servants, in this endeavor!

                                (ooc consider Dei Vigilare to be 40K Warhammer Inquisition Puritan--LOL)

                                Dei Eligere
                                Dei VIgilare

                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: "svachal" <grunduggerer@...>

                                Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:43:54
                                To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                Subject: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...


                                Vampire Winterfall,

                                I am of course not surprised that you would wish to keep these malign
                                works for your own benefit. Many of my councillors have discussed the
                                matter and see no benefit in allowing them to exist. However, a
                                question arises which is relevant. To wit:

                                How does one determine a text to be evil without reading it first?

                                Certainly this is an important question. The Holy Mother Church does
                                approve of books and knowledge, for it is what the faithful use in
                                conjunction with the strength the Right and Holy Six give them to
                                drive back wickedness wherever it may arise.

                                However, there are most certainly ways by which this can be
                                determined. Most important in this is that the faithful should be
                                able to sense the wickedness literally oozing from the pages. Such
                                works would leave a stench in their nostrils and their flesh would
                                crawl to even touch them.

                                It is on this basis that I trust the Dei Vigilare to identify which
                                texts should be destroyed, and which should be recovered.

                                Morgut,
                                HP, Bereny

                                > Your Grace, King Steadfast, and High Priest Morgut,
                                > ��
                                > I would imagine that this does not come as a great surprise, but we
                                agree on this matter with priestess Fermain and The Great Library.
                                One��indeed��does the enemies work if��one decides to destroy any tomes
                                of kowledge on the dark ways of the demons or even the non-dangerous
                                historical books describing our history, that our enemies have so
                                fanatically tried to hide from us. These books should indeed be
                                cataloged and, if deemed necessary, be guarded and studied by groups
                                of different backgrounds (in contrast to individuals) to ensure that
                                their content is known to all those protecting the freedom of Bereny.
                                > We urge both His Grace as well as the Lord High Priest��to reconsider
                                this matter and stop the book furnace of Dei Vigilante before this
                                knowledge is lost forever! The Vampire Council hereby offers any help
                                needed to safely guide any artifacts found to The Great Library where
                                we are sure they can be stored safely until a decision on who will
                                study them will be reached.
                                > ��
                                > Lady Winterfall
                                > on behalf of The Vampire Council
                                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >





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                              • Keith Petersen
                                Your Royal Highness, Dirk I, I find I must disagree with both the Dei Vigilare and High Priest Morgut about the destruction of such books. The sad truth is
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                                  Your Royal Highness, Dirk I,

                                  I find I must disagree with both the Dei Vigilare and
                                  High Priest Morgut about the destruction of such books.

                                  The sad truth is that there are magicks which may be
                                  performed by dark and evil forces in which possession
                                  and knowledge contained in such books would be invaluable
                                  and sometimes perhaps even absolutely necessary to know
                                  the ritual involved so you may prevent it from taking place,
                                  reverse the spell, or dispel what was summoned.

                                  Quite often the knowledge about what is summoned, its weakness
                                  or the directions for banishing are contained in the very
                                  same book or scroll that describes their summoning. Just
                                  as an obvious example, a scroll to someone a demon
                                  might contain the true name of the demon, and anyone familiar
                                  with the arcane at all knows that knowledge of a true name
                                  gives great power and control over such supernatural
                                  forces.

                                  I would agree that in an ideal world, there would be no
                                  books on the summoning of demons or the dark gods
                                  into our world. Unfortunately, we don't live in such
                                  an ideal world as frequent demonic intrutions into Bereny
                                  have proven.

                                  It is also true that if we could somehow ensure that
                                  no one had any knowledge of what is contained within
                                  these books and that there were no other copies, then
                                  it would certainly be safe to destroy them.

                                  But we cannot know if there are other copies or if anyone
                                  contains the knowledge within these tomes. Therefore,
                                  destruction of such poses a serious danger to the kingdom.
                                  I strongly urge the books be locked away safely and securely
                                  perhaps in a vault in which only the crown and the church
                                  together may have access if or when necessary.

                                  I certainly don't believe that the destruction of such
                                  materials should be left up to the opinion of any individual
                                  who thinks that all such materials should be destroyed
                                  automatically. No offense to the DV or the high priest,
                                  but they are hardly open-minded on such topics. In fact,
                                  I'm fairly sure we could all have outlined their exact
                                  position without even bothering to consult them --
                                  not that consulting them was the wrong thing to do.

                                  And it goes without saying that no vampire should **ever**
                                  be allowed access to such materials under any circumstance
                                  I can conceive, regardless of the desires of the "Vampire
                                  Council." In that regard, I'm sure the GL, DV, HP and
                                  myself are in complete agreement, as I hope is also
                                  his Royal Highness.

                                  Baron Solas
                                  The Grey Wizard_,_._,___
                                • Tony Roberts
                                  Dei Eligere, Cease with your incessant bleating.  We know of your intent... Gimli Ruddle Runeforge High Elder Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster (A dwarf cant sleep
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                                    Dei Eligere,

                                    Cease with your incessant bleating.  We know of your intent...

                                    Gimli Ruddle
                                    Runeforge High Elder
                                    Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster

                                    (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious fanataic :o)... )



                                    ----- Original Message ----
                                    From: "wrgild@..." <wrgild@...>
                                    To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                    Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                    Your Grace, Most Holy Father,

                                    We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose consistent with what you have said.  Rest assured that the Will of the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!

                                    Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested.  The Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.

                                    We thank you, Holy Father, for your faith in we, your devote servants, in this endeavor!

                                    (ooc consider Dei Vigilare to be 40K Warhammer Inquisition Puritan--LOL)

                                    Dei Eligere
                                    Dei VIgilare

                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: "svachal" <grunduggerer@...>

                                    Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:43:54
                                    To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...


                                    Vampire Winterfall,

                                    I am of course not surprised that you would wish to keep these malign
                                    works for your own benefit.  Many of my councillors have discussed the
                                    matter and see no benefit in allowing them to exist.  However, a
                                    question arises which is relevant.  To wit:

                                    How does one determine a text to be evil without reading it first?

                                    Certainly this is an important question.  The Holy Mother Church does
                                    approve of books and knowledge, for it is what the faithful use in
                                    conjunction with the strength the Right and Holy Six give them to
                                    drive back wickedness wherever it may arise.

                                    However, there are most certainly ways by which this can be
                                    determined.  Most important in this is that the faithful should be
                                    able to sense the wickedness literally oozing from the pages.  Such
                                    works would leave a stench in their nostrils and their flesh would
                                    crawl to even touch them.

                                    It is on this basis that I trust the Dei Vigilare to identify which
                                    texts should be destroyed, and which should be recovered.

                                    Morgut,
                                    HP, Bereny

                                    > Your Grace, King Steadfast, and High Priest Morgut,
                                    >  
                                    > I would imagine that this does not come as a great surprise, but we
                                    agree on this matter with priestess Fermain and The Great Library.
                                    One indeed does the enemies work if one decides to destroy any tomes
                                    of kowledge on the dark ways of the demons or even the non-dangerous
                                    historical books describing our history, that our enemies have so
                                    fanatically tried to hide from us. These books should indeed be
                                    cataloged and, if deemed necessary, be guarded and studied by groups
                                    of different backgrounds (in contrast to individuals) to ensure that
                                    their content is known to all those protecting the freedom of Bereny.
                                    > We urge both His Grace as well as the Lord High Priest to reconsider
                                    this matter and stop the book furnace of Dei Vigilante before this
                                    knowledge is lost forever! The Vampire Council hereby offers any help
                                    needed to safely guide any artifacts found to The Great Library where
                                    we are sure they can be stored safely until a decision on who will
                                    study them will be reached.
                                    >  
                                    > Lady Winterfall
                                    > on behalf of The Vampire Council
                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >





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                                  • Andrew Laidlaw
                                    Azzy, Now now are you sure that the caffine in the tea regardless how small might not make any fanatic even more hyper than usual. Wan San Shoe Silent Pond
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Jan 4, 2009
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                                      Azzy,
                                      Now now are you sure that the caffine in the tea regardless how small might not make any fanatic even more hyper than usual.

                                      Wan San Shoe
                                      Silent Pond

                                      Crazy fanatic. I can hear you yelling half-way across Bereny. Even
                                      if you are right you're not doing your side any favors being all
                                      "!!!!!!!!!". Have a cup of tea. Relax. - Azzy

                                      > Your Grace, High Priest Morgut,
                                      >
                                      > We of Dei Vigilare hear your words and know them to be truly inspired by
                                      > The Gods of Light!!
                                      >
                                      > You may trust that we shall be among your worldly servants in this
                                      > regard and will dutiful support you in this regard.
                                      >
                                      > The first of the suspected heretical items will be utterly destroyed
                                      > this coming day. May The Gods of Light be praised for leading us to this
                                      > item first!!
                                      >
                                      > The good people of Bereny shall be saved from those mortals who
                                      > arrogantly believe that they can read and/or use the darkest verses and
                                      > aspects of daemonology or vampirism and still retain their virtue and
                                      > goodness!
                                      >
                                      > We have our sights set on the blasphemous entity that calls itself
                                      > Lexor. For threatening you, our King, and the Kingdom of Bereny, we
                                      > shall ensure that it will burn into nothingness within the Holy Fire
                                      > of our Lord Selador!!!!
                                      >
                                      > Dei Eligere
                                      > Dei Vigilare
                                    • Paul
                                      OOC: The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate order on an item.
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Jan 5, 2009
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                                        OOC:

                                        The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is
                                        going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                        order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                        Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                        could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When I
                                        think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                        possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                        whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                        All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                        I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                        Archivist.... :-)

                                        Regards & thanks

                                        Paul

                                        --- In DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com, Tony Roberts <ahlroberts@...>
                                        wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Dei Eligere,
                                        >
                                        > Cease with your incessant bleating.  We know of your intent...
                                        >
                                        > Gimli Ruddle
                                        > Runeforge High Elder
                                        > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                        >
                                        > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                        fanataic :o)... )
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message ----
                                        > From: "wrgild@..." <wrgild@...>
                                        > To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                        > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                        >
                                        > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                        >
                                        > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                        consistent with what you have said.  Rest assured that the Will of
                                        the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                        >
                                        > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                        be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any
                                        thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother
                                        Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested.  The
                                        Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                        strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                        identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                        >
                                      • Wayne Gildroy
                                        OOC I don t believe I ever said that the items wouldn t be looked at first. IC comments specifically said that certain items having certain properties would
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jan 5, 2009
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                                          OOC

                                          I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at first. IC comments specifically said that certain items having certain properties would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them first to make that determination--but since that apparently is not obvious to everyone, yes--they will be examined first.

                                          In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks of the Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals. RP IC Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its attitudes toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals. (particularly given the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library publications -- OOC).

                                          Cheers!
                                          Wayne





                                          --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@...> wrote:

                                          From: Paul <wildwarp@...>
                                          Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                          To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM

                                          OOC:

                                          The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is
                                          going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                          order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                          Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                          could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When I
                                          think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                          possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                          whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                          All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                          I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                          Archivist... . :-)

                                          Regards & thanks

                                          Paul

                                          --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts <ahlroberts@ ...>
                                          wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Dei Eligere,
                                          >
                                          > Cease with your incessant bleating.  We know of your intent...
                                          >
                                          > Gimli Ruddle
                                          > Runeforge High Elder
                                          > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                          >
                                          > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                          fanataic :o)... )
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message ----
                                          > From: "wrgild@..." <wrgild@...>
                                          > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com
                                          > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                          > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                          >
                                          > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                          >
                                          > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                          consistent with what you have said.  Rest assured that the Will of
                                          the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                          >
                                          > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                          be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any
                                          thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother
                                          Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested.  The
                                          Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                          strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                          identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                          >
                                        • paulobrien
                                          I ll second that request! Paul - the other one who also collects game info :) ... From: Paul To: Sent:
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                                            I'll second that request!

                                            Paul - the other one who also collects game info :)

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: "Paul" <wildwarp@...>
                                            To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:42 AM
                                            Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...


                                            OOC:

                                            The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is
                                            going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                            order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                            Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                            could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When I
                                            think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                            possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                            whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                            <snip>
                                          • Andy McMillan
                                            Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a previous email We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one such item.
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                                              Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a previous email

                                              "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one such
                                              item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather than
                                              risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "

                                              Andy




                                              Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>
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                                              OOC

                                              I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at first. IC
                                              comments specifically said that certain items having certain properties
                                              would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them first to
                                              make that determination--but since that apparently is not obvious to
                                              everyone, yes--they will be examined first.

                                              In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks of the
                                              Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals. RP IC
                                              Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its attitudes
                                              toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified
                                              opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals. (particularly given
                                              the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library
                                              publications -- OOC).

                                              Cheers!
                                              Wayne





                                              --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@...> wrote:

                                              From: Paul <wildwarp@...>
                                              Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                              To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM

                                              OOC:

                                              The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is
                                              going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                              order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                              Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                              could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When I
                                              think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                              possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                              whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                              All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                              I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                              Archivist... . :-)

                                              Regards & thanks

                                              Paul

                                              --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts <ahlroberts@ ...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Dei Eligere,
                                              >
                                              > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...
                                              >
                                              > Gimli Ruddle
                                              > Runeforge High Elder
                                              > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                              >
                                              > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                              fanataic :o)... )
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > From: "wrgild@..." <wrgild@...>
                                              > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com
                                              > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                              > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                              >
                                              > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                              >
                                              > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                              consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of
                                              the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                              >
                                              > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                              be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any
                                              thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother
                                              Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The
                                              Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                              strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                              identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                              >


















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                                            • wrgild@yahoo.com
                                              OOC Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the character destroyed it without
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                                                OOC

                                                Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the character destroyed it without having I ed it, but he "had it on good authority" that it was "evil" with the merest of cursory observation.

                                                That was theatrical RP based upon my distinction between what IC "studying" entails--more than getting an "I" blurb.

                                                OOC-- DV will attempt to detemine whether an item "helps evil" or "harms evil.". In the later case, it will not be destroyed. In other cases....

                                                Cheers!
                                                Wayne

                                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Andy McMillan <andy.mcmillan@...>

                                                Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:48
                                                To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...


                                                Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a previous email

                                                "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered one such
                                                item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather than
                                                risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "

                                                Andy




                                                Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>
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                                                OOC

                                                I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at first. IC
                                                comments specifically said that certain items having certain properties
                                                would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them first to
                                                make that determination--but since that apparently is not obvious to
                                                everyone, yes--they will be examined first.

                                                In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks of the
                                                Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals. RP IC
                                                Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its attitudes
                                                toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified
                                                opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals. (particularly given
                                                the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library
                                                publications -- OOC).

                                                Cheers!
                                                Wayne





                                                --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@...> wrote:

                                                From: Paul <wildwarp@...>
                                                Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM

                                                OOC:

                                                The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone is
                                                going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                                order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                                Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                                could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When I
                                                think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                                possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                                whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                                All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                                I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                                Archivist... . :-)

                                                Regards & thanks

                                                Paul

                                                --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts <ahlroberts@ ...>
                                                wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Dei Eligere,
                                                >
                                                > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...
                                                >
                                                > Gimli Ruddle
                                                > Runeforge High Elder
                                                > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                                >
                                                > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                                fanataic :o)... )
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > From: "wrgild@..." <wrgild@...>
                                                > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com
                                                > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                                > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                >
                                                > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                                >
                                                > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                                consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of
                                                the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                                >
                                                > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                                be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier. Any
                                                thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy Mother
                                                Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The
                                                Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                                strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                                identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                                >


















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                                              • Frank de Vocht
                                                Your Grace, people of Bereny, The Vampire Council had their first formal meeting to discuss and determine their formal goal and position within Berenyan
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                                                  Your Grace, people of Bereny,

                                                  The Vampire Council had their first formal meeting to discuss and determine their formal goal and position within Berenyan society. I did not want to keep the conclusions from the council from Your Grace any longer, given current affairs, but please bear in mind that the exact wording (but not their meaning) might be tweaked in the near future (OOC: when i figure out how to create a website):
                                                  So, in summary:
                                                  ************************************
                                                  The goal of The Vampire Council is to spread the understanding
                                                  of those of our kind to the citizens of Bereny so that we may become citizens
                                                  ourselves without fear or prejudice.



                                                  We fully acknowledge
                                                  the crown of Bereny and consider ourselves its subjects.



                                                  We fully acknowledge
                                                  the church of the Six as we are all loyal servants of the gods of light.



                                                  In addition, given the special qualities of Our Kind, we will further encourage
                                                  membership of the reserves by our kind to provide the crown with a unit of Vampires that your Grace could
                                                  call up during times of need.


                                                  *************************************************************

                                                  Lady Winterfall
                                                  on behalf of the Vampire Council


                                                  _._,___





















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                                                • Paul
                                                  OOC: What? You destroyed it already? Oh no.... (The Archivist looks horrified) Well if you already had the blurb, perhaps you could send it to me please? I
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Jan 5, 2009
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                                                    OOC:

                                                    What? You destroyed it already? Oh no.... (The Archivist looks
                                                    horrified)

                                                    Well if you already had the blurb, perhaps you could send it to me
                                                    please? I assume that it was nothing as ordinary as a Relm Symbol or
                                                    some such other thing.

                                                    I will hopefully be recording what it was for posterity, at least
                                                    until I encounter another one and want to know what it is, it does
                                                    and where it can be found.

                                                    Thanks a bundle

                                                    Paul

                                                    --- In DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com, wrgild@... wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > OOC
                                                    >
                                                    > Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had
                                                    already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the
                                                    character destroyed it without having I ed it, but he "had it on good
                                                    authority" that it was "evil" with the merest of cursory observation.
                                                    >
                                                    > That was theatrical RP based upon my distinction between what
                                                    IC "studying" entails--more than getting an "I" blurb.
                                                    >
                                                    > OOC-- DV will attempt to detemine whether an item "helps evil"
                                                    or "harms evil.". In the later case, it will not be destroyed. In
                                                    other cases....
                                                    >
                                                    > Cheers!
                                                    > Wayne
                                                    >
                                                    > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                                                    >
                                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > From: Andy McMillan <andy.mcmillan@...>
                                                    >
                                                    > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:48
                                                    > To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a
                                                    previous email
                                                    >
                                                    > "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered
                                                    one such
                                                    > item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather
                                                    than
                                                    > risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "
                                                    >
                                                    > Andy
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>
                                                    > Sent by: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > 05/01/2009 16:12
                                                    > Please respond to
                                                    > DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > To
                                                    > DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > cc
                                                    >
                                                    > Subject
                                                    > Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > OOC
                                                    >
                                                    > I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at
                                                    first. IC
                                                    > comments specifically said that certain items having certain
                                                    properties
                                                    > would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them
                                                    first to
                                                    > make that determination--but since that apparently is not obvious
                                                    to
                                                    > everyone, yes--they will be examined first.
                                                    >
                                                    > In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks
                                                    of the
                                                    > Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals.
                                                    RP IC
                                                    > Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its
                                                    attitudes
                                                    > toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified
                                                    > opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals.
                                                    (particularly given
                                                    > the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library
                                                    > publications -- OOC).
                                                    >
                                                    > Cheers!
                                                    > Wayne
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > From: Paul <wildwarp@...>
                                                    > Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                    > To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM
                                                    >
                                                    > OOC:
                                                    >
                                                    > The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone
                                                    is
                                                    > going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                                    > order on an item. Even for posterity.
                                                    >
                                                    > Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                                    > could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When
                                                    I
                                                    > think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                                    > possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                                    > whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.
                                                    >
                                                    > All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.
                                                    >
                                                    > I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                                    > Archivist... . :-)
                                                    >
                                                    > Regards & thanks
                                                    >
                                                    > Paul
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts
                                                    <ahlroberts@ ...>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Dei Eligere,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Gimli Ruddle
                                                    > > Runeforge High Elder
                                                    > > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                                    > >
                                                    > > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                                    > fanataic :o)... )
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                    > > From: "wrgild@" <wrgild@>
                                                    > > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                                    > > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                                    > consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of
                                                    > the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                                    > be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier.
                                                    Any
                                                    > thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy
                                                    Mother
                                                    > Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The
                                                    > Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                                    > strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                                    > identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                                    > >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
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                                                    Zurich Financial Services, a company registered in Switzerland
                                                    (number CH-023.3.020.5108) and its subsidiary undertakings from time
                                                    to time.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Insurance plc, a public limited company incorporated in
                                                    Ireland Registration No. 13460 Registered Office: Zurich House,
                                                    Ballsbridge Park, Dublin 4, Ireland
                                                    > UK branch registered in England and Wales Registration No. BR7985
                                                    > UK Branch Head Office: The Zurich Centre, 3000 Parkway, Whiteley,
                                                    Fareham, Hampshire PO15 7JZ. Authorised by the Irish Financial
                                                    Regulator and subject to limited regulation by the Financial Services
                                                    Authority. Details about the extent of our regulation by the
                                                    Financial Services Authority are available from us on request.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited.
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 01860680.
                                                    > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                    > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited is a holding company of
                                                    the life business in the UK, the following subsidiaries of which are
                                                    authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Assurance Ltd
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2456671.
                                                    > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Intermediary Group Limited
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 1909111.
                                                    > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Independent Wealth Management Limited
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2088643.
                                                    > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                    >
                                                    > Zurich Advice Network Limited
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 492466.
                                                    > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                    >
                                                    > Sterling ISA Managers Limited
                                                    > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2395416.
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                                                  • Frank de Vocht
                                                    Given current affairs and unwillingness of certain individuals and organizations to preserve important artefacts for study, I have now replaced Lady Winterfall
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                                                      Given current affairs and unwillingness of certain individuals and organizations to preserve important artefacts for study, I have now replaced Lady Winterfall as head of The Vampire team to be able to push forward.
                                                      Lady Winterfall has been promoted to the official voice of The Vampire Council...

                                                      Count Kain
                                                      Greater Vampire
                                                      Poldoon
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                                                    • wrgild@yahoo.com
                                                      OOC That would undermine the IC RP theatre. LOL It was not a common item, but it was not an unknown item. Incidentally, Dei Vigilare members have D 100ed
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                                                        OOC

                                                        That would undermine the IC RP theatre. LOL

                                                        It was not a common item, but it was not an unknown item.

                                                        Incidentally, Dei Vigilare members have D 100ed literally hundreds of "evil" items over the past several years. Some of them cannot be sold so it is no big deal, but many can be and we destroy them rather than sell them for RP purposes.

                                                        Typically a turn does not go by without one of my own DV players D 100ing an "evil" item somewhere.

                                                        That will sound daft to power players, but trust me that it is viewed by some to be good Roleplaying. LOL


                                                        Cheers!
                                                        Wayne

                                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                                        -----Original Message-----
                                                        From: "Paul" <wildwarp@...>

                                                        Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:55:36
                                                        To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...


                                                        OOC:

                                                        What? You destroyed it already? Oh no.... (The Archivist looks
                                                        horrified)

                                                        Well if you already had the blurb, perhaps you could send it to me
                                                        please? I assume that it was nothing as ordinary as a Relm Symbol or
                                                        some such other thing.

                                                        I will hopefully be recording what it was for posterity, at least
                                                        until I encounter another one and want to know what it is, it does
                                                        and where it can be found.

                                                        Thanks a bundle

                                                        Paul

                                                        --- In DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com, wrgild@... wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > OOC
                                                        >
                                                        > Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had
                                                        already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the
                                                        character destroyed it without having I ed it, but he "had it on good
                                                        authority" that it was "evil" with the merest of cursory observation.
                                                        >
                                                        > That was theatrical RP based upon my distinction between what
                                                        IC "studying" entails--more than getting an "I" blurb.
                                                        >
                                                        > OOC-- DV will attempt to detemine whether an item "helps evil"
                                                        or "harms evil.". In the later case, it will not be destroyed. In
                                                        other cases....
                                                        >
                                                        > Cheers!
                                                        > Wayne
                                                        >
                                                        > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                                                        >
                                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                                        > From: Andy McMillan <andy.mcmillan@...>
                                                        >
                                                        > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:48
                                                        > To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a
                                                        previous email
                                                        >
                                                        > "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered
                                                        one such
                                                        > item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather
                                                        than
                                                        > risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "
                                                        >
                                                        > Andy
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>
                                                        > Sent by: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > 05/01/2009 16:12
                                                        > Please respond to
                                                        > DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > To
                                                        > DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > cc
                                                        >
                                                        > Subject
                                                        > Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > OOC
                                                        >
                                                        > I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at
                                                        first. IC
                                                        > comments specifically said that certain items having certain
                                                        properties
                                                        > would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them
                                                        first to
                                                        > make that determination--but since that apparently is not obvious
                                                        to
                                                        > everyone, yes--they will be examined first.
                                                        >
                                                        > In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks
                                                        of the
                                                        > Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals.
                                                        RP IC
                                                        > Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its
                                                        attitudes
                                                        > toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified
                                                        > opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals.
                                                        (particularly given
                                                        > the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library
                                                        > publications -- OOC).
                                                        >
                                                        > Cheers!
                                                        > Wayne
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > From: Paul <wildwarp@...>
                                                        > Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                        > To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM
                                                        >
                                                        > OOC:
                                                        >
                                                        > The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone
                                                        is
                                                        > going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate
                                                        > order on an item. Even for posterity.
                                                        >
                                                        > Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone
                                                        > could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When
                                                        I
                                                        > think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a
                                                        > possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,
                                                        > whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.
                                                        >
                                                        > All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.
                                                        >
                                                        > I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal
                                                        > Archivist... . :-)
                                                        >
                                                        > Regards & thanks
                                                        >
                                                        > Paul
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts
                                                        <ahlroberts@ ...>
                                                        > wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Dei Eligere,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Gimli Ruddle
                                                        > > Runeforge High Elder
                                                        > > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster
                                                        > >
                                                        > > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious
                                                        > fanataic :o)... )
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                        > > From: "wrgild@" <wrgild@>
                                                        > > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com
                                                        > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose
                                                        > consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of
                                                        > the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall
                                                        > be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier.
                                                        Any
                                                        > thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy
                                                        Mother
                                                        > Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The
                                                        > Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the
                                                        > strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to
                                                        > identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.
                                                        > >
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                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited and Zurich Insurance plc
                                                        are members of the Zurich Financial Services Group which consists of
                                                        Zurich Financial Services, a company registered in Switzerland
                                                        (number CH-023.3.020.5108) and its subsidiary undertakings from time
                                                        to time.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Insurance plc, a public limited company incorporated in
                                                        Ireland Registration No. 13460 Registered Office: Zurich House,
                                                        Ballsbridge Park, Dublin 4, Ireland
                                                        > UK branch registered in England and Wales Registration No. BR7985
                                                        > UK Branch Head Office: The Zurich Centre, 3000 Parkway, Whiteley,
                                                        Fareham, Hampshire PO15 7JZ. Authorised by the Irish Financial
                                                        Regulator and subject to limited regulation by the Financial Services
                                                        Authority. Details about the extent of our regulation by the
                                                        Financial Services Authority are available from us on request.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited.
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 01860680.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited is a holding company of
                                                        the life business in the UK, the following subsidiaries of which are
                                                        authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Assurance Ltd
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2456671.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Intermediary Group Limited
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 1909111.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Independent Wealth Management Limited
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2088643.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        >
                                                        > Zurich Advice Network Limited
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 492466.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        >
                                                        > Sterling ISA Managers Limited
                                                        > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 2395416.
                                                        > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.
                                                        >
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                                                      • Frank de Vocht
                                                        lol...not only to power players :-) Frank ... From: wrgild@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ... To:
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Jan 5, 2009
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                                                          lol...not only to power players :-)
                                                          Frank

                                                          --- On Mon, 5/1/09, wrgild@... <wrgild@...> wrote:
                                                          From: wrgild@... <wrgild@...>
                                                          Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...
                                                          To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 6:54 PM











                                                          OOC



                                                          That would undermine the IC RP theatre. LOL



                                                          It was not a common item, but it was not an unknown item.



                                                          Incidentally, Dei Vigilare members have D 100ed literally hundreds of "evil" items over the past several years. Some of them cannot be sold so it is no big deal, but many can be and we destroy them rather than sell them for RP purposes.



                                                          Typically a turn does not go by without one of my own DV players D 100ing an "evil" item somewhere.



                                                          That will sound daft to power players, but trust me that it is viewed by some to be good Roleplaying. LOL





                                                          Cheers!

                                                          Wayne



                                                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                                          -----Original Message-----

                                                          From: "Paul" <wildwarp@hotmail. com>



                                                          Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:55:36

                                                          To: <DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com>

                                                          Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...





                                                          OOC:



                                                          What? You destroyed it already? Oh no.... (The Archivist looks

                                                          horrified)



                                                          Well if you already had the blurb, perhaps you could send it to me

                                                          please? I assume that it was nothing as ordinary as a Relm Symbol or

                                                          some such other thing.



                                                          I will hopefully be recording what it was for posterity, at least

                                                          until I encounter another one and want to know what it is, it does

                                                          and where it can be found.



                                                          Thanks a bundle



                                                          Paul



                                                          --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, wrgild@... wrote:

                                                          >

                                                          > OOC

                                                          >

                                                          > Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had

                                                          already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the

                                                          character destroyed it without having I ed it, but he "had it on good

                                                          authority" that it was "evil" with the merest of cursory observation.

                                                          >

                                                          > That was theatrical RP based upon my distinction between what

                                                          IC "studying" entails--more than getting an "I" blurb.

                                                          >

                                                          > OOC-- DV will attempt to detemine whether an item "helps evil"

                                                          or "harms evil.". In the later case, it will not be destroyed. In

                                                          other cases....

                                                          >

                                                          > Cheers!

                                                          > Wayne

                                                          >

                                                          > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                                          >

                                                          > -----Original Message-----

                                                          > From: Andy McMillan <andy.mcmillan@ ...>

                                                          >

                                                          > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:48

                                                          > To: <DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com>

                                                          > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a

                                                          previous email

                                                          >

                                                          > "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered

                                                          one such

                                                          > item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather

                                                          than

                                                          > risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "

                                                          >

                                                          > Andy

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>

                                                          > Sent by: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                          > 05/01/2009 16:12

                                                          > Please respond to

                                                          > DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > To

                                                          > DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                          > cc

                                                          >

                                                          > Subject

                                                          > Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > OOC

                                                          >

                                                          > I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at

                                                          first. IC

                                                          > comments specifically said that certain items having certain

                                                          properties

                                                          > would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them

                                                          first to

                                                          > make that determination- -but since that apparently is not obvious

                                                          to

                                                          > everyone, yes--they will be examined first.

                                                          >

                                                          > In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks

                                                          of the

                                                          > Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals.

                                                          RP IC

                                                          > Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its

                                                          attitudes

                                                          > toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified

                                                          > opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals.

                                                          (particularly given

                                                          > the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library

                                                          > publications -- OOC).

                                                          >

                                                          > Cheers!

                                                          > Wayne

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@.. .> wrote:

                                                          >

                                                          > From: Paul <wildwarp@.. .>

                                                          > Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                          > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                          > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM

                                                          >

                                                          > OOC:

                                                          >

                                                          > The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone

                                                          is

                                                          > going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate

                                                          > order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                                          >

                                                          > Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone

                                                          > could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When

                                                          I

                                                          > think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a

                                                          > possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,

                                                          > whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                                          >

                                                          > All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                                          >

                                                          > I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal

                                                          > Archivist... . :-)

                                                          >

                                                          > Regards & thanks

                                                          >

                                                          > Paul

                                                          >

                                                          > --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts

                                                          <ahlroberts@ ...>

                                                          > wrote:

                                                          > >

                                                          > > Dei Eligere,

                                                          > >

                                                          > > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...

                                                          > >

                                                          > > Gimli Ruddle

                                                          > > Runeforge High Elder

                                                          > > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster

                                                          > >

                                                          > > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious

                                                          > fanataic :o)... )

                                                          > >

                                                          > >

                                                          > >

                                                          > > ----- Original Message ----

                                                          > > From: "wrgild@" <wrgild@>

                                                          > > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                          > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41

                                                          > > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                          > >

                                                          > > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,

                                                          > >

                                                          > > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose

                                                          > consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of

                                                          > the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!

                                                          > >

                                                          > > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall

                                                          > be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier.

                                                          Any

                                                          > thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy

                                                          Mother

                                                          > Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The

                                                          > Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the

                                                          > strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to

                                                          > identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.

                                                          > >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          >

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                                                          >

                                                          >

                                                          > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited and Zurich Insurance plc

                                                          are members of the Zurich Financial Services Group which consists of

                                                          Zurich Financial Services, a company registered in Switzerland

                                                          (number CH-023.3.020. 5108) and its subsidiary undertakings from time

                                                          to time.

                                                          >

                                                          > Zurich Insurance plc, a public limited company incorporated in

                                                          Ireland Registration No. 13460 Registered Office: Zurich House,

                                                          Ballsbridge Park, Dublin 4, Ireland

                                                          > UK branch registered in England and Wales Registration No. BR7985

                                                          > UK Branch Head Office: The Zurich Centre, 3000 Parkway, Whiteley,

                                                          Fareham, Hampshire PO15 7JZ. Authorised by the Irish Financial

                                                          Regulator and subject to limited regulation by the Financial Services

                                                          Authority. Details about the extent of our regulation by the

                                                          Financial Services Authority are available from us on request.

                                                          >

                                                          > Zurich Financial Services (UKISA) Limited.

                                                          > Registered in England and Wales under registration number 01860680.

                                                          > Registered office: UK Life Centre, Station Road, Swindon SN1 1EL.

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                                                          LOL There are indeed all types of players. Cheers! Wayne Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: Frank de Vocht Date: Mon, 5
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                                                            LOL

                                                            There are indeed all types of players.

                                                            Cheers!
                                                            Wayne

                                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: Frank de Vocht <fdevocht@...>

                                                            Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:57:47
                                                            To: <DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...


                                                            lol...not only to power players :-)
                                                            Frank

                                                            --- On Mon, 5/1/09, wrgild@... <wrgild@...> wrote:
                                                            From: wrgild@... <wrgild@...>
                                                            Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...
                                                            To: DungeonWorld@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 6:54 PM











                                                            OOC



                                                            That would undermine the IC RP theatre. LOL



                                                            It was not a common item, but it was not an unknown item.



                                                            Incidentally, Dei Vigilare members have D 100ed literally hundreds of "evil" items over the past several years. Some of them cannot be sold so it is no big deal, but many can be and we destroy them rather than sell them for RP purposes.



                                                            Typically a turn does not go by without one of my own DV players D 100ing an "evil" item somewhere.



                                                            That will sound daft to power players, but trust me that it is viewed by some to be good Roleplaying. LOL





                                                            Cheers!

                                                            Wayne



                                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                                            -----Original Message-----

                                                            From: "Paul" <wildwarp@hotmail. com>



                                                            Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:55:36

                                                            To: <DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com>

                                                            Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: On Destroying Books ...





                                                            OOC:



                                                            What? You destroyed it already? Oh no.... (The Archivist looks

                                                            horrified)



                                                            Well if you already had the blurb, perhaps you could send it to me

                                                            please? I assume that it was nothing as ordinary as a Relm Symbol or

                                                            some such other thing.



                                                            I will hopefully be recording what it was for posterity, at least

                                                            until I encounter another one and want to know what it is, it does

                                                            and where it can be found.



                                                            Thanks a bundle



                                                            Paul



                                                            --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, wrgild@... wrote:

                                                            >

                                                            > OOC

                                                            >

                                                            > Ah... Now I understand. OOC that was an item whose blurb I had

                                                            already been made aware of OOC. So, IC it was true that the

                                                            character destroyed it without having I ed it, but he "had it on good

                                                            authority" that it was "evil" with the merest of cursory observation.

                                                            >

                                                            > That was theatrical RP based upon my distinction between what

                                                            IC "studying" entails--more than getting an "I" blurb.

                                                            >

                                                            > OOC-- DV will attempt to detemine whether an item "helps evil"

                                                            or "harms evil.". In the later case, it will not be destroyed. In

                                                            other cases....

                                                            >

                                                            > Cheers!

                                                            > Wayne

                                                            >

                                                            > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                                            >

                                                            > -----Original Message-----

                                                            > From: Andy McMillan <andy.mcmillan@ ...>

                                                            >

                                                            > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:48

                                                            > To: <DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com>

                                                            > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            > Wayne I think they are referring to a comment you made in a

                                                            previous email

                                                            >

                                                            > "We have, this past day, believe that we have already discovered

                                                            one such

                                                            > item. Without hesitation, we will destroy it (OOC D 100 X) rather

                                                            than

                                                            > risk perversion by even studying it (OOC no I O X) ... "

                                                            >

                                                            > Andy

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            > Wayne Gildroy <wrgild@...>

                                                            > Sent by: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                            > 05/01/2009 16:12

                                                            > Please respond to

                                                            > DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            > To

                                                            > DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                            > cc

                                                            >

                                                            > Subject

                                                            > Re: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            > OOC

                                                            >

                                                            > I don't believe I ever said that the items wouldn't be looked at

                                                            first. IC

                                                            > comments specifically said that certain items having certain

                                                            properties

                                                            > would be destroyed. Obviously, one would have to examine them

                                                            first to

                                                            > make that determination- -but since that apparently is not obvious

                                                            to

                                                            > everyone, yes--they will be examined first.

                                                            >

                                                            > In these discussions, I am reminded of the split within the ranks

                                                            of the

                                                            > Warhammer 40K Inquisition between the Puritans and the Radicals.

                                                            RP IC

                                                            > Dei Eligere would fall within the Puritan group in terms of its

                                                            attitudes

                                                            > toward "evil" items--and reacts with the same degree of horrified

                                                            > opposition to the principles exposed by the Radicals.

                                                            (particularly given

                                                            > the abysmal track record that the Radicals have in Black Library

                                                            > publications -- OOC).

                                                            >

                                                            > Cheers!

                                                            > Wayne

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            >

                                                            > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul <wildwarp@.. .> wrote:

                                                            >

                                                            > From: Paul <wildwarp@.. .>

                                                            > Subject: [DungeonWorld] OOC: Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                            > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                            > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:42 AM

                                                            >

                                                            > OOC:

                                                            >

                                                            > The information gatherer in me is horrified to think that someone

                                                            is

                                                            > going to destroy anything without even putting in an investigate

                                                            > order on an item. Even for posterity.

                                                            >

                                                            > Could I please request that before the item is destroyed, someone

                                                            > could at very least identify the item and send me the details? When

                                                            I

                                                            > think of all the work and creative thought put in into creating a

                                                            > possibly unique item, simply destroying it sounds really daft,

                                                            > whether it was done for an RPG basis or not.

                                                            >

                                                            > All information thus sent will be treated and stored in confidence.

                                                            >

                                                            > I think I ought to apply in game for the position of Royal

                                                            > Archivist... . :-)

                                                            >

                                                            > Regards & thanks

                                                            >

                                                            > Paul

                                                            >

                                                            > --- In DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Roberts

                                                            <ahlroberts@ ...>

                                                            > wrote:

                                                            > >

                                                            > > Dei Eligere,

                                                            > >

                                                            > > Cease with your incessant bleating. We know of your intent...

                                                            > >

                                                            > > Gimli Ruddle

                                                            > > Runeforge High Elder

                                                            > > Earth/Fire/Water Runemaster

                                                            > >

                                                            > > (A dwarf cant sleep with all the yelling of a crazed religious

                                                            > fanataic :o)... )

                                                            > >

                                                            > >

                                                            > >

                                                            > > ----- Original Message ----

                                                            > > From: "wrgild@" <wrgild@>

                                                            > > To: DungeonWorld@ yahoogroups. com

                                                            > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January, 2009 23:37:41

                                                            > > Subject: Re: [DungeonWorld] Re: On Destroying Books ...

                                                            > >

                                                            > > Your Grace, Most Holy Father,

                                                            > >

                                                            > > We of Gods' Vigilant shall devotely carry out our purpose

                                                            > consistent with what you have said. Rest assured that the Will of

                                                            > the Right and Holy Six shall be carried out!!!!

                                                            > >

                                                            > > Those items which are a threat to the goodly folk of Bereny shall

                                                            > be summarily destroyed, along the lines I have described earlier.

                                                            Any

                                                            > thing else we of Gods' Vigilant pledge to deliver to the Holy

                                                            Mother

                                                            > Church for inspection and dispensation as you have requested. The

                                                            > Piety of those of Dei Vigilare dwarfs any one else and we have the

                                                            > strength and will to look into the depths of evil in order to

                                                            > identify it for what it is without subcombing to it oerversion.

                                                            > >

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